What's next for Beyonce?

TockTockTock · 09-04-2011, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by EvilChuck

1) You have VERY different criteria to me when it comes to 'good' singers, if that Meredith Monk is anything to go by.

I agree.

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You look for stuff you can 'appreciate', I look for stuff that touches me, that makes me have a reaction Beyonce's voice has that affect on me, she may not have the most anally perfect technical voice compared to what you look for, but fúck me her voice is powerful and her delivery is perfect.

Whenever I take part in a discussion about skilled singers, musicians, etc, I tend to look for versatility, eclecticism, or innovation (or all three). Of course, this doesn't mean that Monk is my favorite singer... I just consider her to be one of the best. Personally, my favorite singer is Lou Reed, and he can't sing worth shit (he even admits it

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When was the last time you listened to a song and had shivers go down your spine? Or had the hairs on the back of your neck stand up?

When I posted this... which was the last time I listened to music.

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2) As a measure of popularity, the charts are still the best thing we have.

... and I have never cared about how popular an artist is.

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3) Regardless of what you think, or choose to believe, the fact is when we're all dead and people look back to what was popular, what trends were around when we were young, they arent going to see Meredith Monk.

I'm sure most of the music community will... They tend to acknowledge those who have made major contributions in music. They're not any more or less important than the rest of the music-listening populace.

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They will see Beyonce, just like we see The Beatles, just like we see the Sex Pistols, Metallica, Nirvana, Jimi Hendrix, Elvis Presley. Beyonce is one of the defining artists of our generation, and based on her longevity I'd put her at the head of that list, making her THE defining artist.

I just so happen to think that The Sex Pistols, Nirvana (somewhat), Metallica, and Elvis Presley are boring (as do many others). That doesn't mean their music is terrible, though...

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Seriously Jack Pat, not all chart music is bad and evil.

I never said it was. I'm just not a fan of it.

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Some of it believe it or not is actually quite good.

Not to me (most of the time), but it might be to others.

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You dont have to be the only person with 500 miles to have heard of a song for it to be interesting

I never said that obscure music was interesting.

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(and when 'interesting' is the adjective used to describe a song, it generally means '****e').

It depends on who is using the word. When I describe music as "interesting" I almost never imply that it's shit.

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You can enjoy music from today, no one will judge you negatively for it, most likely people wont even care that you listen to Lady Gaga, or Justin Bieber, or whatever you decide is the one that tickles your pickle.

Honestly... I don't really care about what people think of my taste in music. If anything I get scrutinized more for what I listen to now.

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You'll occassionally find a popular song that actually describes your feelings perfectly.

I remember liking "Viva La Vida" at one point, but then the radio played it so many times that I got sick of it.

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Have you ever cried during a song?

If tearing up a bit is considered to be crying, then yes.

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Or are songs just things that need to be analysed and compared to you?

I listen to both music that moves me and that which interests me.

The point of my entire statement is that music is entirely subjective... What I may consider crap, you may consider brilliant (or vise-versa). We're pretty much wasting our time talking about this. Haha

Euronomus · 09-05-2011, 06:36 AM

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As a measure of popularity, the charts are still the best thing we have. And she consistently tops them, not once every so often, but near enough every song. And this has been the case for 14 years. How many other people could have the level of sustained success that she has had and still not get the acknowledgement and appreciation from music 'fans'.

3) Regardless of what you think, or choose to believe, the fact is when we're all dead and people look back to what was popular, what trends were around when we were young, they arent going to see Meredith Monk. They will see Beyonce, just like we see The Beatles, just like we see the Sex Pistols, Metallica, Nirvana, Jimi Hendrix, Elvis Presley. Beyonce is one of the defining artists of our generation, and based on her longevity I'd put her at the head of that list, making her THE defining artist.

Dude that's like saying that when people look back at the 70's they define that generation by the Carpenters and Abba or looking to the 90's and saying that Celine Dion is the pinnacle of what was happening in music at the time

Record sales have almost nothing to do with artistic relevancy, they mostly reflect marketing and the size of the audience, and more often than not the ones with the potential to sell a lot of records are either a)the lowest common denominator or b)the most bland and mediocre/inoffensive. Sometimes good artist do sell a lot of records, but more often than not what's popular is entirely forgettable. I mean really Garth Brooks is the third highest selling musician in US history and how relevant is he in the history of music? Popularity is probably the worst metric of determining what has real relevancy because to most of the people buying the most popular stuff music isn't really important.

But to throw my 2 cents into the main argument here, while I won't claim to have listened to a lot of her music the 4-5 song's I have heard are trite and bland and entirely forgettable. The ability to hit a high note doesn't make someone a good singer, putting your heart and soul into what your singing is the mark of a great singer and I don't hear that in her music at all.

Howard the Duck · 09-05-2011, 06:43 AM

hey the 70s were ABBA and the Carpenters and the Bee Gees

they were the masters of their game (pop)

Beyonce is just some manufactured plastic junk with a good voice, much like Mariah Carey

djchameleon · 09-05-2011, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Euronomus

Dude that's like saying that when people look back at the 70's they define that generation by the Carpenters and Abba or looking to the 90's and saying that Celine Dion is the pinnacle of what was happening in music at the time

That is actually pretty true but along with Celine for that dreadful Titanic Theme song boy bands will be heavily remembered and so will gangster rap from the early 90s.

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Originally Posted by Euronomus

Record sales have almost nothing to do with artistic relevancy, they mostly reflect marketing and the size of the audience, and more often than not the ones with the potential to sell a lot of records are either a)the lowest common denominator or b)the most bland and mediocre/inoffensive. Sometimes good artist do sell a lot of records, but more often than not what's popular is entirely forgettable. I mean really Garth Brooks is the third highest selling musician in US history and how relevant is he in the history of music? Popularity is probably the worst metric of determining what has real relevancy because to most of the people buying the most popular stuff music isn't really important.

Record sales have everything to do with how relevant an artist to a specific period of time. You might like the music or think it's disposable but when people look back at the great pop acts of certain decades they stay in their mind because of the popularity. Are you going to say that 20 years from now you aren't going to look back and think about how much boy bands and Britney Spears ruled the late 90s and mid 00s?

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Originally Posted by Euronomus

The ability to hit a high note doesn't make someone a good singer, putting your heart and soul into what your singing is the mark of a great singer and I don't hear that in her music at all.

You are blinded by your hatred for her as an artist to even recognize when she's putting her heart and soul into what she is singing because you just don't like her at all.

Tell me there is no heart or soul in that performance.

14232949 · 09-05-2011, 06:05 PM

What's next for Beyonce?

Swollen feet and morning sickness.

EvilChuck · 09-05-2011, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Euronomus

Dude that's like saying that when people look back at the 70's they define that generation by the Carpenters and Abba or looking to the 90's and saying that Celine Dion is the pinnacle of what was happening in music at the time

If I ask my mum what her and her friends were listening to in the 70's, she'd definitely list ABBA and The Carpenters in the top 5, so by that I can safely say that yes, ABBA and The Carpenters were two of the groups that defined her generation. I think you need to understand what it means to be the defining music of a generation, it means the music that most represented what people wanted through that time. Name someone who has had more of an impact on the same amount of people, for the same length of time as Beyonce. Who else has been in the top 5 or so artists consistently since 1997? You might not want to acknowledge it, but believe it our generation will be remembered and represented by the likes of Beyonce.

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Originally Posted by Euronomous

Record sales have almost nothing to do with artistic relevancy, they mostly reflect marketing and the size of the audience, and more often than not the ones with the potential to sell a lot of records are either a)the lowest common denominator or b)the most bland and mediocre/inoffensive. Sometimes good artist do sell a lot of records, but more often than not what's popular is entirely forgettable. I mean really Garth Brooks is the third highest selling musician in US history and how relevant is he in the history of music? Popularity is probably the worst metric of determining what has real relevancy because to most of the people buying the most popular stuff music isn't really important.

lol are you sure that music isnt important to them? So people are just spending money for the sake of it? Think it through mate, just because you wouldnt buy her music doesnt make her irrellevant to the millions of people worldwide who give over their hard earned money to own her songs and albums, while the 'relevent' artists dont have two pennies to scrape together because 'real' music fans illegally download their music. You dont get people to hand over their money for the length of time that she has without being good, and without making music that people want to hear.

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Originally Posted by Euronomous

But to throw my 2 cents into the main argument here, while I won't claim to have listened to a lot of her music the 4-5 song's I have heard are trite and bland and entirely forgettable. The ability to hit a high note doesn't make someone a good singer, putting your heart and soul into what your singing is the mark of a great singer and I don't hear that in her music at all.

I agree with what you look for in a good singer, I dont look for technical ability either, heart and soul is the most important thing. But to say that Beyonce doesnt have that, doesnt put her heart and soul into her music is just basically burying your head in the sand and ignoring the fantastic music that she has made.

YorkeDaddy · 09-05-2011, 08:50 PM

Good Beyonce:

Bad Beyonce:

Unfortunately, most of her stuff leans toward "Bad Beyonce" for me.

Electrophonic Tonic · 09-05-2011, 11:26 PM

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What's next for Beyonce?

Swollen feet and morning sickness.

/thread.

**Janszoon** · 09-05-2011, 11:29 PM

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Beyonce is pregnant!

FYI: It's mine.

CanwllCorfe · 09-05-2011, 11:44 PM

She'll probably sing some more.

Oh, and she'll have the baby.

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