"There Should Be A Mandatory Retirement Age Of 40 In Rock 'N' Roll" - Johnny Ramone

Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra · 09-04-2011, 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

Mark Twain recorded a ton of rock music to be released after his death?

Yeah, he invented rock.... just waited too long to have it released, and won't get the credit.

Seltzer · 09-04-2011, 04:30 AM

The last couple of years have seen plenty of great rocking albums coming from musicians in their 40s... Grinderman, Killing Joke, PJ Harvey, Wire and Swans, to name a few.

And Brendan Perry's 2010 solo album is better than any Dead Can Dance album I've ever heard.

Lisnaholic · 09-04-2011, 09:01 AM

I`m glad to see that everyone here has the good judgement to disagree with Johnny Ramone.
If you consider it seriously, his remark is pretty offensive. If it`s quoted today, it`s probably because, outside the enlightened community of MB, prejudice based on ageism is still acceptable, where prejudice based on racism or sexism is, thankfully, condemned.

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Originally Posted by Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra

Actually, if I was a rockstar, I'd record a ton of stuff to be released past my death like Mark Twain.

^ Was that before or after he wrote Huckleberry Finn ?

TockTockTock · 09-04-2011, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Lisnaholic

^ Was that before or after he wrote Huckleberry Finn ?

He wrote and published it before he died... His later work is incredibly dark and nihilistic (unlike Huckleberry Fin). Just look up his novella The Mysterious Stranger.

There was actually a kids show (done in "claymation") a while back where they exhibited a lot of Mark Twain's stories... It eventually got cancelled for showing a part about The Mysterious Stranger...

Here's a clip:

(Sorry... I kind of rambled a bit).

Lisnaholic · 09-04-2011, 01:31 PM

^ A very strange clip indeed ! I remember reading The Mysterious Stranger, although it`s not that easy to find in England, and your clip conveys the central message very well.
I think the animators made an error of judgement to pass it off as a story for kids, though. Don`t you ?

TockTockTock · 09-04-2011, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Lisnaholic

I think the animators made an error of judgement to pass it off as a story for kids, though. Don`t you ?

Definitely... but I still find it hilarious in a messed up sort of way...

Lisnaholic · 09-04-2011, 01:51 PM

Yes, I agree - well, claymation (which is a new word for me) is capable of some very surreal visual effects, and this is like, what ? A Child`s Guide To Angst or something !

Electrophonic Tonic · 09-04-2011, 04:27 PM

Speaking of Led Zeppelin, more bands should follow their model: When one of your members dies... QUIT

While

You're

Ahead

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

Mark Twain recorded a ton of rock music to be released after his death?

No, he just wrote about Vibrators.

Unknown Soldier · 09-04-2011, 04:56 PM

All the above pictures really sum up my feelings really about these bands and others like them. Despite not holding up a banner saying that these musicians should retire or anything like that, I really find it hard to enjoy looking at bands (I`m talking concerts or videos here and not as recording artists) when the band members are looking more like retirees than the artists that I once fell in love with. I haven`t seen any of my favourite old bands in concert for several years now and I prefer to remember them as they were and not how they are today.

Whilst not agreeing with a mandatory retirement age of 40 thats a bit tight.......but I think 50 should be imposed as the wrinkles and gray hair have now become too dominant

Necromancer · 09-04-2011, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier

(forgetting the terrible In Through the Out Door here)
Comparing him to his main rivals of the day Ian Gillan, Steven Tyler and Paul Rodgers I`d say all of those three had superior voices but Robert Plant was probably the best performer of the three and that is probably one of the most vital elements of any hard rock performer.

I actually forgot to mention in my last post that the album "In Through The Out Door" had a few singles I like also, In the Evening, Fool in the Rain, and All Of My Love.

I think Steven Tyler is the best performer/frontman out of the four mentioned. Do you really consider Robert Plant as the best Soldier?

View Poll Results: do you agree with johnny?
I agree, these old guys need to know when to stop and hang it up	0	0%
Disagree, age is just a number. you don't stop being creative just because you're old	20	68.97%
Make a dramatic exit like overdosing or blowing your brains out. better to burn out than fade away	1	3.45%
I think an artist's late work is sometimes more interesting	4	13.79%
Overwhelming success can kill creativity so its better to bow out while you're still in your prime	0	0%
I reckon that an aging rapper is more embarrassing than an aging rockstar	4	13.79%
Voters: 29. You may not vote on this poll

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09-04-2011, 01:31 PM	#25 (permalink)
Lisnaholic ...here to hear... Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: He lives on Love Street Posts: 4,444	^ A very strange clip indeed ! I remember reading The Mysterious Stranger, although it`s not that easy to find in England, and your clip conveys the central message very well. I think the animators made an error of judgement to pass it off as a story for kids, though. Don`t you ?

09-04-2011, 01:51 PM	#27 (permalink)
Lisnaholic ...here to hear... Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: He lives on Love Street Posts: 4,444	Yes, I agree - well, claymation (which is a new word for me) is capable of some very surreal visual effects, and this is like, what ? A Child`s Guide To Angst or something !

09-04-2011, 04:56 PM	#29 (permalink)
Unknown Soldier Horribly Creative Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: London, The Big Smoke Posts: 8,265	All the above pictures really sum up my feelings really about these bands and others like them. Despite not holding up a banner saying that these musicians should retire or anything like that, I really find it hard to enjoy looking at bands (I`m talking concerts or videos here and not as recording artists) when the band members are looking more like retirees than the artists that I once fell in love with. I haven`t seen any of my favourite old bands in concert for several years now and I prefer to remember them as they were and not how they are today. Whilst not agreeing with a mandatory retirement age of 40 thats a bit tight.......but I think 50 should be imposed as the wrinkles and gray hair have now become too dominant