Frank Zappa or Captain Beefheart?

Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra · 12-05-2011, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by lucifer_sam

I feel sorry that people interpret Don as such an egotistical individual -- he was truly gifted creatively but seriously could not give a damn what others saw in him.

In all fairness, I respect Beefheart 100% musically. However, history tells me he was kind of a cock.

I mean, he had a reputation for never being able to hear his vocals even if he screamed at the top of his lungs. Even to the point of throwing violent fits.

Furthermore, the way he treated a lot of his band members was abysmal. I think in particular John 'Drumbo' French who not only is a remarkably underrated drummer(Listen to 'Mirror Man', it's quite astonishing), but also apparently the transcriber, and coordinator of instruments on Trout Mask Replica.

With that said, it bears nothing on my appreciation of the man as a musician, and shouldn't effect one's decision when voting. Just saying, he wasn't known for his kindness.

AcidMaxima · 12-06-2011, 11:01 AM

I love them both for different reasons and they're for different moods! I find it easier to listen to Zappa though so listen to him more than Beefheart.

**Frownland** · 01-15-2012, 04:04 PM

It's the Captain's birthday today. Happy birthday Captain.
I voted for Don because his music has had such a more profound effect on me than any other artist or band I had ever heard before. I love Zappa to death though, Apostrophe and One Size Fits All are right up there with TMR and LMDOB, plus without Zappers, I wouldn't've gotten into Captain Beefheart.
If I could vote Bongo Fury I would, but Beef takes the cake (pun).

blastingas10 · 01-17-2012, 02:34 AM

I got into beefheart before Zappa but I went with Zappa. I just think he was quite a bit more talented than beefheart. I love zappa's guitar playing. I like Beefhearts lyrics more, though. I just think zappa is the overall better musician.

Franco Pepe Kalle · 01-19-2012, 04:07 PM

I go with Frank Zappa. He is a major genius.

TockTockTock · 03-02-2012, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Franco Pepe Kalle

I go with Frank Zappa. He is a major genius.

So was Beefheart.

blastingas10 · 03-04-2012, 02:07 PM

I don't think he was on Zappa's level of genius.

TockTockTock · 03-04-2012, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by blastingas10

I don't think he was on Zappa's level of genius.

What makes you say that?

**Frownland** · 03-04-2012, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by blastingas10

I don't think he was on Zappa's level of genius.

Zappa did withhold quite the level of musical intelligence, but Beefheart's creativity aspired to that same level of ingenuity. Zappa still used song structure in most of his works, but Beefheart abandoned that post entirely.

Guybrush · 03-04-2012, 04:28 PM

Not saying that this is the case with Beefheart and Zappa, but people so often seem to assume that the more avantgarde something is, the more rules it breaks, the more difficult it is to do - the better/smarter it is. That's not always true. When it comes to music, basically anyone can make avantgarde music, however good it turns out, but not everyone can write a beautiful piece of music. Not saying you don't get creds for being strange, but I definitely think people in general overrate it.

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Frank Zappa	36	69.23%
Captain Beefheart	16	30.77%
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12-06-2011, 11:01 AM	#62 (permalink)
AcidMaxima Groupie Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 14	I love them both for different reasons and they're for different moods! I find it easier to listen to Zappa though so listen to him more than Beefheart. __________________ How can I express, let alone possess?

01-15-2012, 04:04 PM	#63 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	It's the Captain's birthday today. Happy birthday Captain. I voted for Don because his music has had such a more profound effect on me than any other artist or band I had ever heard before. I love Zappa to death though, Apostrophe and One Size Fits All are right up there with TMR and LMDOB, plus without Zappers, I wouldn't've gotten into Captain Beefheart. If I could vote Bongo Fury I would, but Beef takes the cake (pun). __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

01-19-2012, 04:07 PM	#65 (permalink)
Franco Pepe Kalle Mwana Nzala Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Shakopee, Minnesota Posts: 627	I go with Frank Zappa. He is a major genius. __________________ The problem with Franco Pepe Kalle is that he is a unpredictable character. There is surprising info about this man. You think he only likes Franco and Pepe Kalle but when you find out that he hears other artists, you are shock. Girls are the sexy thing that God created. Important to notice FPK.

03-04-2012, 04:28 PM	#70 (permalink)
Guybrush Juicious Maximus III Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Scabb Island Posts: 6,525	Not saying that this is the case with Beefheart and Zappa, but people so often seem to assume that the more avantgarde something is, the more rules it breaks, the more difficult it is to do - the better/smarter it is. That's not always true. When it comes to music, basically anyone can make avantgarde music, however good it turns out, but not everyone can write a beautiful piece of music. Not saying you don't get creds for being strange, but I definitely think people in general overrate it. __________________ Something Completely Different

01-17-2012, 02:34 AM	#64 (permalink)
blastingas10 Music Addict Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 2,126	I got into beefheart before Zappa but I went with Zappa. I just think he was quite a bit more talented than beefheart. I love zappa's guitar playing. I like Beefhearts lyrics more, though. I just think zappa is the overall better musician.

03-04-2012, 02:07 PM	#67 (permalink)
blastingas10 Music Addict Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 2,126	I don't think he was on Zappa's level of genius.