Elvis Presley vs. Michael Jackson vs. The Beatles...... DISCUSS!

djchameleon · 07-17-2011, 06:47 PM

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For any Beatles vs. debates, I'm the guy in the flannel shirt.

Ditto

Electrophonic Tonic · 07-17-2011, 07:02 PM

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Robert Johnson actually influenced and inspired more great musicians of rock & roll than all of the above mentioned.

For me, it seems like the whole delta blues/Robert Johnson influence began in the mid 60's with the likes of Clapton and the Stones adopting him as a major influence in their sound. The earliest influences of rock and roll and it's inception was with the likes of Louis Jordon.

I'm in no way denying the influence of Robert Johnson on rock and roll, but I'm pretty sure his influence was felt later on after rock and roll found it's feet.

Blarobbarg · 07-17-2011, 07:40 PM

Why are we even comparing them at all? They are totally different in almost every way.

artemis · 07-17-2011, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Blarobbarg

Why are we even comparing them at all? They are totally different in almost every way.

agree. And I like them all, for different reasons. No use comparing....

Necromancer · 07-17-2011, 11:50 PM

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For me, it seems like the whole delta blues/Robert Johnson influence began in the mid 60's with the likes of Clapton and the Stones adopting him as a major influence in their sound. The earliest influences of rock and roll and it's inception was with the likes of Louis Jordon.

I'm in no way denying the influence of Robert Johnson on rock and roll, but I'm pretty sure his influence was felt later on after rock and roll found it's feet.

His music and first popular album was recorded in 1961, but the originals were recorded in 1936 & 1937. Robert Johnson is ranked "fifth" in Rolling Stone's list of 100 Greatest Guitarists of All Time. Johnson was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame as an "Early Influence" in their first induction ceremony in 1986. Jimi Hendrix, as well as other guitarist already mentioned, were also fans of Johnson's, if that counts for anything.
"To the uninitiated, Johnson's recordings may sound like just another dusty Delta blues musician wailing away. But a careful listen reveals that Johnson was a revisionist in his time . . Johnson's tortured soul vocals and anxiety-ridden guitar playing aren't found in the cotton-field blues of his contemporaries."

Louis Jordan's solo career began around 1938 if I'm correct. He was a pioneering American jazz, blues and rhythm & blues musician, songwriter and bandleader who enjoyed his greatest popularity from the late 1930s to the early 1950s. In 2004, Rolling Stone Magazine ranked him "#59" on their list of the 100 Greatest Artists of All Time. Jordan was defiantly a major influence, but I don't really see his musical inception to Rock & Roll, as having any more of an impact than Robert Johnsons influence to Rock & Roll has had, and made.

Electrophonic Tonic · 07-18-2011, 01:03 AM

I'll make this my last point as we're getting off topic (even if the topic hasn't been given much credence).

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Jordan was defiantly a major influence, but I don't really see his musical inception to Rock & Roll, as having any more of an impact than Robert Johnsons influence to Rock & Roll has had, and made.

I see Louis Jordon as part of the invention of rock and roll. I see Robert Johnson is a part of the innovation of rock and roll. Those are two separate concepts and arguments for their influence on rock and roll.

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Johnson was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame as an "Early Influence" in their first induction ceremony in 1986.

I'm not one for using the RNRHOF as a measuring stick, but I will since you did. Louis Jordon was the 2nd artist inducted as an early influence in 1987. So he obviously, has some clout to his influence. And if Robert Johnson's effect of rock and roll was felt 10 years after the birth of the style, how can you be an early influence?

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Robert Johnson is ranked "fifth" in Rolling Stone's list of 100 Greatest Guitarists of All Time.

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In 2004, Rolling Stone Magazine ranked him "#59" on their list of the 100 Greatest Artists of All Time.

Not a big fan of Rolling Stone either, but in the article written for Louis Jordon by Ahmet Ertegun, he says "B.B. King, Chuck Berry and all of the other early rock & roll and R&B stars were influenced and inspired by Jordan."

CrackingCody · 07-18-2011, 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Blarobbarg

Why are we even comparing them at all? They are totally different in almost every way.

Because Elvis is the King of Rock, Michael is the King of Pop, Elvis influenced the Beatles. The Beatles are considered the greatest band, while Elvis is considered the greatest solo artist, ect. Not totally different, probably the 3 most known artists/artist groups in music.

Howard the Duck · 07-18-2011, 02:23 AM

they're all crap

starrynight · 07-18-2011, 03:57 AM

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[/B] His music and first popular album was recorded in 1961, but the originals were recorded in 1936 & 1937. Robert Johnson is ranked "fifth" in Rolling Stone's list of 100 Greatest Guitarists of All Time. Johnson was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame as an "Early Influence" in their first induction ceremony in 1986. Jimi Hendrix, as well as other guitarist already mentioned, were also fans of Johnson's, if that counts for anything.
"To the uninitiated, Johnson's recordings may sound like just another dusty Delta blues musician wailing away. But a careful listen reveals that Johnson was a revisionist in his time . . Johnson's tortured soul vocals and anxiety-ridden guitar playing aren't found in the cotton-field blues of his contemporaries."

Louis Jordan's solo career began around 1938 if I'm correct. He was a pioneering American jazz, blues and rhythm & blues musician, songwriter and bandleader who enjoyed his greatest popularity from the late 1930s to the early 1950s. In 2004, Rolling Stone Magazine ranked him "#59" on their list of the 100 Greatest Artists of All Time. Jordan was defiantly a major influence, but I don't really see his musical inception to Rock & Roll, as having any more of an impact than Robert Johnsons influence to Rock & Roll has had, and made.

I quite like Sol Hoopi myself who started in the late 20s, obviously he hasn't had much hype from people but that doesn't change my preference.

And all this impact/importance/influence stuff I find a bit pointless, nobody can measure it accurately. And everyone is influenced by someone else anyway.

Miss Tickle · 07-21-2011, 04:42 AM

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agree. And I like them all, for different reasons. No use comparing....

I too agree!

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