How Long is Too Long??

**Frownland** · 05-19-2015, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by YorkeDaddy

As if I needed more reason to think John Cage was a complete joke

'You can laugh if you like, I prefer laughter to tears'. But as silly as some of his pieces may seem to you, writing off Cage is like writing off electronic music as a whole because he has such a massive body of work after composing from age 20 till his death in his 70s, always pumping out new ideas. Just listen to this and tell me Cage is a joke:

Cage is the best and that's a fact.

YorkeDaddy · 05-19-2015, 09:57 PM

That's a really cool track mate, thanks for the link as I'd never heard that before

So that's some new insight certainly, but it doesn't change the fact that so much of what some of his other music stands for is absolutely outrageous to me so that's really just two different philosophies at work there

**Frownland** · 05-19-2015, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by YorkeDaddy

That's a really cool track mate, thanks for the link as I'd never heard that before

So that's some new insight certainly, but it doesn't change the fact that so much of what some of his other music stands for is absolutely outrageous to me so that's really just two different philosophies at work there

That's interesting, since I kind of have the opposite view. There are a few of his pieces that I'm not fond of but because of the point that they make I can still appreciate them. One of my favourite things about Cage is that none of his music is pointless, each and every piece is the personification of some element within Cage's philosophy of music. There's a downside to that though, since his most controversial pieces (4'33", Water Walk, ASLSP) are his most well known while his best pieces like his quartets, piano sonatas, electronic music, and percussion pieces are largely ignored.

Which pieces are outrageous to you?

YorkeDaddy · 05-20-2015, 10:02 AM

The same ones that a lot of this forum debates about like the one where he's like "hey i'm a famous musician here's a piece with literally no music" or the one where he's like "hey i'm so edgy here's a song that's 40 years long" or whatever the hell it was, I don't know man as a musician it almost feels insulting.

**Frownland** · 05-20-2015, 10:07 AM

He's a composer though, so he doesn't really market himself as a musician. Kind of sounds like what I described because you just listed two of his most controversial pieces and are ignoring the rest of his discography which includes many more bangers like Credo In Us. I recommend his string quartets and percussion music (the cactus pieces might be insulting to you too though). If you're a fan of musique concrete, his is some of the best out there too.

Mondo Bungle · 05-20-2015, 05:39 PM

Bull of Heaven probably got their wikipedia page for being a massively cool avant-garde group. You don't have to listen to their million year long songs, that's kind of a chore, but they have so much great stuff across many different genres.

This one might be the best though

Plainview · 08-01-2015, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Itsmeyouruncle

For radio 3:20 max

It's not the 60s any more.

Mr. Charlie · 08-01-2015, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Itsmeyouruncle

For radio 3:20 max

That's a very precise figure.

meganzmusic · 08-01-2015, 11:21 AM

Julian Casablancas +The Voidz: Human Sadness, length 10:57

It's a pretty epic track, it was hard to get into at first listen, but once you get the feel of the sound, its pretty navigable and you can feel the vastness, the bumps and the richness of the space that they are creating.

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In fact, most of the track off that album pushes beyond 4 minutes

HellCell · 08-01-2015, 01:22 PM

Longer than 5 minutes is not preferable.

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Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	He's a composer though, so he doesn't really market himself as a musician. Kind of sounds like what I described because you just listed two of his most controversial pieces and are ignoring the rest of his discography which includes many more bangers like Credo In Us. I recommend his string quartets and percussion music (the cactus pieces might be insulting to you too though). If you're a fan of musique concrete, his is some of the best out there too. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

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meganzmusic Groupie Join Date: Jul 2015 Posts: 10	Julian Casablancas +The Voidz: Human Sadness, length 10:57 It's a pretty epic track, it was hard to get into at first listen, but once you get the feel of the sound, its pretty navigable and you can feel the vastness, the bumps and the richness of the space that they are creating. Edit: In fact, most of the track off that album pushes beyond 4 minutes