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Old 05-08-2011, 01:04 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I've been going through my library, and I've notified that some of my albums are encoded in a VBR bitrate. Would this encoding be recommended, or should I go for a constant bitrate?

I'm just curious as to what VBR is.
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Bit rate is essentially the amount of data that is processed per unit of time. In music, a higher bit rate means more data is processed, which in layman's terms means better quality sound. As opposed to CBR, VBR allows a higher bitrate (and therefore more storage space) to be allocated to the more complex segments of media files while less space is allocated to less complex segments. Basically, a higher bitrate is used (and more data is stored) during the "louder" parts of the song, and a lower bitrate is used (and less data is stored) during the "quieter" parts of the song. The advantages of VBR are that it produces a better quality-to-space ratio compared to a CBR file of the same data. While a constant 320k file might store a LOT of data throughout the entire song, it may not need to because parts of the song don't involve that much data.

In essence, VBR allows you to retain sound quality while reducing the digital size of the file, because 320cbr files are quite fat.
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The only caveat to that is there tends to be sync issues and other problems that arise with VBR in certain applications. If you're not worried about space, you're better off with CBR simply because it's likely to give you less problems in the long run.

As far as quality, there shouldn't really be any noticeable difference. When VBR drops the bitrate for quiet parts of a song, the quality is irrelevant because the bits being excluded aren't representing any actual data. But typically VBR is only really becoming an asset when there are quiet enough parts of the song that wouldn't be heard very well in the first place... and that's not very representative of most of the music most people listen to.

Personally, I'd say go with CBR unless there's a compelling enough reason not to. If you actually need the space, you're probably better off just buying another external hard drive or whatever.
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What FBD says. Just compatibilty issues.
I always go for 256kbps cbr (unless I don't have the original record/CD, in that case I go for FLAC )
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What FBD says. Just compatibilty issues.
I always go for 256kbps cbr (unless I don't have the original record/CD, in that case I go for FLAC )
Quick question... do you personally notice the difference between 256 and 320 CBR? I don't, but you've got far better gear to listen on, I suppose. I have a pair of studio monitors, but they're not really the greatest, and my headphones are more intimate for listening, but they're nowhere near as reproductive as the monitors.
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Well I did the test on this forum and apparently I do.
But I don't think the difference is big enough to care.
I mean, if I want quality, I'm not going to go for Mp3 anyway .
It's really a storage thing
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Well I did the test on this forum and apparently I do.
But I don't think the difference is big enough to care.
I mean, if I want quality, I'm not going to go for Mp3 anyway .
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Very true.
Just curious, but does the difference lie in depth of low end, and detail of high end? I've always noticed that in lower bit rates, especially anything under 192, but it gets harder for me to notice a difference between 256 and 320. I still prefer 320 simply as a matter of placebo effect in my case though, but I don't doubt there are perceptive differences to more trained ears.
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Very true.
Just curious, but does the difference lie in depth of low end, and detail of high end? I've always noticed that in lower bit rates, especially anything under 192, but it gets harder for me to notice a difference between 256 and 320. I still prefer 320 simply as a matter of placebo effect in my case though, but I don't doubt there are perceptive differences to more trained ears.
It's funny you mention this. I often wonder how much of the supposed quality increase I hear between lower bit rates and 320s is genuine, and how much of it is just a placebo.
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It's funny you mention this. I often wonder how much of the supposed quality increase I hear between lower bit rates and 320s is genuine, and how much of it is just a placebo.
All of it is genuine, but some people don't know how or where to listen and some people just cannot hear it.

Some people are not able to hear a record that runs slighly slow, some people can't hear wow and flutter (go google, these are real audio words ), some people cannot hear the jitter (the deviation in or displacement of some aspect of the pulses in a high-frequency digital signal, says wiki) of a CD player. Some people cannot hear dropouts in an old tape.
This has nothing to do with the quality of your ears, it's more like a sensitivity. I, unfortunately, can hear it all very well. Which is ****ing frustrating.
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It's funny you mention this. I often wonder how much of the supposed quality increase I hear between lower bit rates and 320s is genuine, and how much of it is just a placebo.
Well, tore tried to run an experiment on us in the "Games/Lists/Polls" subforum, but I guess no one participated. He wanted to see if we could tell the difference between lossless and lossy.
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