The Loudness War

s_k · 02-21-2011, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by nbakid2000

I absolutely hate the loudness war, which is why I'm trying to stick to original CDs and stay away from remasters because the remasters also compress and brickwall everything.

Wow, wow, not good remasters.
MFSL remasters almost always sound a lot better than the original.
And then there's the original dire straits CD's, they sound completely crappy. There's the remasters that appeared in the half/late nineties, they sound almost as good as the vinyl records. And that's a compliment

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nbakid2000 · 02-22-2011, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by s_k

Wow, wow, not good remasters.
MFSL remasters almost always sound a lot better than the original.
And then there's the original dire straits CD's, they sound completely crappy. There's the remasters that appeared in the half/late nineties, they sound almost as good as the vinyl records. And that's a compliment

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It depends on what label remasters the album and who the mastering engineer is.

Jon Astley = bad
Vic Anesini = excellent

There are excellent remasters out there and there are terrible ones out there.

s_k · 02-22-2011, 04:47 AM

Absolutely. Most of the time the original release is better.
But there are some very, very good remasters out there.

I just can't stand how everyone seems to think those new Beatles remasters are brilliant.
Yes, they are pretty good. But has no one realised that, after tons of Beatles remasters, this is the first time they actually made one that comes close to the original masters? They WERE good. Especially the later beatles recordings are really really good sounding. Just buy the old friggin' records people

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OccultHawk · 02-22-2011, 06:01 AM

One of the things that I think is so sad is that so many people think newer technology is better. The best recording quality ever achieved was in the seventies. Whenever they 'remaster' those precious recordings they just straight destroy them. Rhino has absolutely butchered the Ramones' catalog. And for new artists it's also sad. I mean, how pathetic is it to think 'I'm gonna get that little edge by being a touch louder so more people will notice me'? I'm especially disappointed to see the Flaming Lips playing that game.

s_k · 02-22-2011, 06:05 AM

I think there has been no improvement in recording quality since the fifties.
Listen to old brubeck and davis recordings, listen to old classical recordings.
They sound just brilliant. And I don't mean warmer or some crap like that, I mean crisp, transparent, clear, just like modern day recordings.
I do admit that making quality recordings has become a lot more convenient with digital media, but people tend to abuse digital audio. There's a sort of "You can do whatever you want, it's digital" mentality.
Thing is, slight tape distortion and compression or tube distortion isn't such a bad thing. Yes it's a pity when a recording gets distorted, but it's still enjoyable. Whereas digital distortion or compression sounds just awful. There's no headroom at all.

The best recordings I know are all done analog.
I have a tape of Brubecks "Jazz impressions of eurasia" on my tapedeck right now.
I made a copy from a friends' Record as I'm still searching for it myself (I found this one for him, now that he's got it I want it too ;D) and it sounds incredibly good. 1958 and it's pure audiophile quality.

OccultHawk · 02-22-2011, 06:21 AM

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listen to old classical recordings

Amen.

Find the recordings conducted by Hermann Scherchen that have not been digitally remastered (in other words, on vinyl)

Amazon.com: Beethoven: Symphony No. 3 In E Flat Major, Op 55 180g 33RPM LP: Hermann Scherchen: Music

Yes Sir!

02-22-2011, 04:47 AM	#23 (permalink)
s_k Music Addict Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,206	Absolutely. Most of the time the original release is better. But there are some very, very good remasters out there. I just can't stand how everyone seems to think those new Beatles remasters are brilliant. Yes, they are pretty good. But has no one realised that, after tons of Beatles remasters, this is the first time they actually made one that comes close to the original masters? They WERE good. Especially the later beatles recordings are really really good sounding. Just buy the old friggin' records people . __________________ Click here to see my collection

02-22-2011, 06:05 AM	#25 (permalink)
s_k Music Addict Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,206	I think there has been no improvement in recording quality since the fifties. Listen to old brubeck and davis recordings, listen to old classical recordings. They sound just brilliant. And I don't mean warmer or some crap like that, I mean crisp, transparent, clear, just like modern day recordings. I do admit that making quality recordings has become a lot more convenient with digital media, but people tend to abuse digital audio. There's a sort of "You can do whatever you want, it's digital" mentality. Thing is, slight tape distortion and compression or tube distortion isn't such a bad thing. Yes it's a pity when a recording gets distorted, but it's still enjoyable. Whereas digital distortion or compression sounds just awful. There's no headroom at all. The best recordings I know are all done analog. I have a tape of Brubecks "Jazz impressions of eurasia" on my tapedeck right now. I made a copy from a friends' Record as I'm still searching for it myself (I found this one for him, now that he's got it I want it too ;D) and it sounds incredibly good. 1958 and it's pure audiophile quality. __________________ Click here to see my collection

02-22-2011, 06:01 AM	#24 (permalink)
OccultHawk one-balled nipple jockey Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Dirty Souf Biatch Posts: 22,006	One of the things that I think is so sad is that so many people think newer technology is better. The best recording quality ever achieved was in the seventies. Whenever they 'remaster' those precious recordings they just straight destroy them. Rhino has absolutely butchered the Ramones' catalog. And for new artists it's also sad. I mean, how pathetic is it to think 'I'm gonna get that little edge by being a touch louder so more people will notice me'? I'm especially disappointed to see the Flaming Lips playing that game.