Instrument you wish there was more of in pop music?

Jedey · 07-26-2010, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

I think the problem here is you view a drum machines as some kind replacement for drums. They aren't. They're different instruments with different strengths. Your statement is the equivalent of saying there has never been an instance where a saxophone has improved music over a flute. It's a non sequitur.

I accept that as a valid point.

Jedey · 07-26-2010, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by boo boo

You're the one who shows little respect to people who realise that music has evolved past a bunch of woman beating black guys making moaning sounds and singing the most banal lyrics ever.

Please die. For me?

A drum machine is one of the most useful musical tools ever invented that actually opens possibilities to do things that even a virtuoso level drummer cannot do.

Don't give me this pretentious crap about soul and how soul is some black guy screaming "baby baby baby i neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed you" and sh*t. Soul is a useless word, you cannot transfer emotion into music, you can put emotion into a performance but that doesn't mean people will be emotionally affected by the music because how the music affects someone depends entirely on the person.

When I listen to Otis Redding all I can think of is "talentless hack". I'm from the Memphis area and it's dangerous to say that but it's the truth.

I said drum machines were soulless. How does that translate into your racist tirade?

Freebase Dali · 07-26-2010, 08:30 PM

I don't see how drum machines are soulless. If used in the right context, they can be everything people pour themselves into. Just because the method of doing so may not involve sticks and acoustic drums, the programing of such sounds into a song can mean just as much to both the artist and the listener.

Drum machines may be soulless to YOU, but if you're truly the sole arbiter of what can and can't have soul and emotion in it, then I guess I've overstepped my boundaries sir.

Stone Birds · 07-26-2010, 08:33 PM

the zither...

but seriously i'd like to hear more bells

**Janszoon** · 07-26-2010, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Jedey

I accept that as a valid point.

Thank you.

boo boo · 07-26-2010, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by dankrsta

I'm not sure I understood the bold part correctly, but does this mean, according to you, that non-performance arts, like visual arts, for example, can't transfer emotion through form? I mean, they cannot be performed (in time, like music and dramatic arts). Maybe what you call a performance I call a form, an aesthetic. Is that what you meant?

I mean that a piece of art cannot contain emotion, they can be influenced by emotion and they can evoke emotion but the music itself has no emotions. Music has tones and colors and choices of expression, but not emotion. To say music (or literature or visual art for that matter) lacks emotion is a non sequiter as ALL music lacks emotion because music is abstract. It makes as much sense as criticizing a chair for lacking emotion.

A musician can invest much emotion into a work but if the music sucks than the emotion doesn't matter, as we have no way to measure the amount of passion that went into something because passion isn't just making funny faces and saying "baby baby baby". Understand?

Take for example a guitar solo. People may feel like a bluesy guitar solo with a lot of sustained notes and vibrato is more emotional than a fast metal shred guitar solo. But those are techniques to create the illusion of emotion, not actual emotion.

Same as how people equate loud, fast and heavy punk riffs with emotion, these are techniques, "passionate" vocals with loud resonance and a lot of improvisation, this is also a technique.

Music can sound emotional but it's always because of some kind of technique to give you that impression. "Music is alive" sounds poetic and sh*t but it's not the truth, it's just sound.

CanwllCorfe · 07-26-2010, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by boo boo

I mean that a piece of art cannot contain emotion, they can be influenced by emotion and they can evoke emotion but the music itself has no emotions. Music has tones and colors and choices of expression, but not emotion. To say music (or literature or visual art for that matter)lacks emotion is a non sequiter as ALL music lacks emotion because music is abstract. It makes as much sense as criticizing a chair for lacking emotion.

Indeed. It's all about perception. It's a rare instance that an artist can provoke one sure emotion, thought, feeling, etc. from one of their works. I mean, it's hard to not get sadness from something like At Eternity's Gate by Van Gogh.. but on the contrary I could not understand how anyone could get anything from listening to Nickelback or Theory of a Deadman. But they have to or else they wouldn't listen to it.

At least I think they do.. maybe they just don't care? Who knows.

jtwilliams · 07-27-2010, 12:08 AM

Anyone think a harmonica might add something to pop music if used right?

Freebase Dali · 07-27-2010, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by jtwilliams

Anyone think a harmonica might add something to pop music if used right?

About as much as more auto-tune would make pop more appealing.

jtwilliams · 07-27-2010, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Freebase Dali

About as much as more auto-tune would make pop more appealing.

They would probably have to change the name of the genre said music was in once they added enough to it to make it more appealing.

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Freebase Dali Partying on the inside Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 5,584	I don't see how drum machines are soulless. If used in the right context, they can be everything people pour themselves into. Just because the method of doing so may not involve sticks and acoustic drums, the programing of such sounds into a song can mean just as much to both the artist and the listener. Drum machines may be soulless to YOU, but if you're truly the sole arbiter of what can and can't have soul and emotion in it, then I guess I've overstepped my boundaries sir.