What Is Your Definition Of A "Sell Out"?

gunnels · 06-16-2010, 06:42 PM

So what's the big deal about signing on to a major label? It's not like Green Day weren't already pop.
Kings of Leon's style was already radio friendly, it just so happened that when they wanted to change things up a bit they got a few hits out of it.

TheCunningStunt · 06-16-2010, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by gunnels

So what's the big deal about signing on to a major label? It's not like Green Day weren't already pop.

The big deal is they never said they would. They came from an underground community and sold it out. .

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Originally Posted by gunnels

Kings of Leon's style was already radio friendly, it just so happened that when they wanted to change things up a bit they got a few hits out of it

It was gritty southern rock, then they went boring and bland with 2 stand out obvious hits. Thus selling out, they changed their style for the mainstream.

clutnuckle · 06-16-2010, 06:45 PM

Green Day never said they weren't going to sign to a major label. If they do, it's just because they wanted to? Better deal, more money to do what they want artistically? Idiotic 'punk kids' that worshipped early Green Day just got the wrong impression, unfortunately, and that's where 'Insomniac' came from.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 06-16-2010, 06:47 PM

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To me, Muse is an example of a band that has sold out. I mean, the video for their newest song has Twilight clips. (Music videos, as well as the music, is art. I think I should restate: if a band comprimises their art.) That's obviously "comprimising", if not completely ruining their music video.

I don't think of Muse as being the type of band that could sell out.

They've always been a populist commercial stadium rock act.
I don't see how putting a few movie clips in one of their videos changes a thing.

As for Green Day they were putting out commercial pop songs even before they were signed to a major label. It's not as if their music has made any great changes since then that can't be attributed the the members of the band reaching middle age.

TheCunningStunt · 06-16-2010, 06:49 PM

I'm glad Green Day "sold out" because Dookie is/was a great record. Still gets a listen every now and again, but I was sure they said early in their career they'd never go to a big label.. If I'm wrong then I stand corrected but I'm sure they said early on that they'd never do it. I don't see a problem with that type of "selling out" major label = $$$. Long as the artist doesn't change their style and still has creative control.

FaSho · 06-16-2010, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by sidewinder

I sense sarcasm:

That's because this:

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Originally Posted by james1

When a band changes their style in order to be accepted by a mainstream audience.

and this:

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Originally Posted by rammetal7

Ex: a band says they would never sign on to a major record label, but they later did, this makes them sellouts.

Is just a more specific way of saying this:

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Originally Posted by FaSho

Selling out is when a band becomes popular obv

They way I see it, who cares if an artist/band wants to make more money. Making music is their job, and in a normal job you get more money when promoted, and in the music buisness getting more popular is like getting promoted. I'm sure you guys would love to make more money at your job just by changing what you do a little bit.

gunnels · 06-16-2010, 07:00 PM

^I love you.

**Janszoon** · 06-16-2010, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by FaSho

They way I see it, who cares if an artist/band wants to make more money. Making music is their job, and in a normal job you get more money when promoted, and in the music buisness getting more popular is like getting promoted. I'm sure you guys would love to make more money at your job just by changing what you do a little bit.

Absolutely. As a professional designer myself, I have a pretty hard time criticizing someone for using their creative abilities to make money.

rammetal7 · 06-16-2010, 07:09 PM

If you want money, go be a doctor, music is an art form.

mr dave · 06-16-2010, 07:10 PM

i define a sellout as a person or group who places more significance and importance on commercial profit over creative output while maintaining a front that creativity comes first.

nothing wrong with making money, but don't tell me it's all about your 'art' when you're trying to sell me a t-shirt, sticker, patch, iron on, pin, button, purse, necktie, hat, pants, shoes, wristband, and toilet paper with your freaking logo on it. oh yeah, and your album too.

06-16-2010, 06:45 PM	#13 (permalink)
clutnuckle Music Addict Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: -_-_-_-_~__~-~_-`_`-~_-`-~-~ Posts: 1,276	Green Day never said they weren't going to sign to a major label. If they do, it's just because they wanted to? Better deal, more money to do what they want artistically? Idiotic 'punk kids' that worshipped early Green Day just got the wrong impression, unfortunately, and that's where 'Insomniac' came from.

06-16-2010, 06:49 PM	#15 (permalink)
TheCunningStunt love will tear you apart Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Manchester, UK. Posts: 5,107	I'm glad Green Day "sold out" because Dookie is/was a great record. Still gets a listen every now and again, but I was sure they said early in their career they'd never go to a big label.. If I'm wrong then I stand corrected but I'm sure they said early on that they'd never do it. I don't see a problem with that type of "selling out" major label = $$$. Long as the artist doesn't change their style and still has creative control.

06-16-2010, 07:09 PM	#19 (permalink)
rammetal7 Soldier Of Aztlán Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 322	If you want money, go be a doctor, music is an art form.