Tortured geniuses

TheCunningStunt · 06-14-2010, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by CAPTAIN CAVEMAN

how ironic, you comparing kurt cobain to mozart or beethoven by calling cobain a genius is even more offensive than me comparing cobain to lady gaga. they're both modern musicians who write pop/rock songs; cobain's lyrics are pretty equal to lady gaga's in terms of complexity. i don't even know if she writes her only lyrics which actually strengthens my point i think...

you said essentially nothing about what i was saying. i never said anything about his suicide, nor about nirvana's level of exposure. that has nothing to do with it.

You're the one who brought up Mozart and Beethoven, I said Mozart was 1700s and Kurt was 1990s, I don't quite know how to compare string quartets to guitars and drums.. So, I didn't compare the two. I wouldn't know how. Comparing Gaga to Kurt is just laughable. Gaga makes pop songs suited to the mainstream, Kurt made rock songs and the mainstream came to them. Sure there are poppy elements which he took from his Beatles influence, but he didn't make pop songs.

Necromancer · 06-14-2010, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Freebase Dali

Face-palming is racist trolling?!?
Should he have used a white guy, because that would have been.... BETTER?

What in the hell is face-palming?
That one is over my head or to stupid to even be a subject anyone would want to talk about.
Face palming....I guess you learn something everyday...lol.

~~CAPTAIN CAVEMAN~~ · 06-14-2010, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by TheCunningStunt

You're the one who brought up Mozart and Beethoven, I said Mozart was 1700s and Kurt was 1990s, I don't quite know how to compare string quartets to guitars and drums.. So, I didn't compare the two. I wouldn't know how. Comparing Gaga to Kurt is just laughable. Gaga makes pop songs suited to the mainstream, Kurt made rock songs and the mainstream came to them. Sure there are poppy elements which he took from his Beatles influence, but he didn't make pop songs.

yeah, exactly. i brought up mozart because almost three hundred years later people still acknowledge what he did. he wrote symphonies as a child; i'm sure i don't need to point out the huge disparity in complexity between writing a symphony and a rock song. of course complexity alone is not definitive of a genius, but did kurt cobain really create anything so different from what had already existed?

what has whether it was written intended for a mainstream audience or not got to do with whether it was genius or not????????

TheCunningStunt · 06-14-2010, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by CAPTAIN CAVEMAN

how ironic, you comparing kurt cobain to mozart or beethoven by calling cobain a genius

I didn't compare them, you did.

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Originally Posted by CAPTAIN CAVEMAN

yeah, exactly. i brought up mozart

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Originally Posted by CAPTAIN CAVEMAN

what has whether it was written intended for a mainstream audience or not got to do with whether it was genius or not????????

You said he wrote pop songs, comparing him with the likes of Lady Gaga. That wasn't the case.

If you're saying Kurt Cobain isn't a genius because he isn't up there with Mozart then he isn't doing badly. Plus that'd write off a lot of musicians and songwriters, a lot of geniuses probably don't measure up to classical music. Although I can't say I can compare the two, I don't listen to classical music.

right-track · 06-14-2010, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Goblin Tears

Genius?...No!
Tortured?...Yes please!

Freebase Dali · 06-14-2010, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by CAPTAIN CAVEMAN

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Was ist das?

SGR · 06-14-2010, 05:09 PM

I think Layne Staley belongs here just as much, if not more than Kurt does.

Necromancer · 06-14-2010, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by right-track

Genius?...No!
Tortured?...Yes please!

Now thats straight to the point using so few words.

Zaqarbal · 06-14-2010, 08:44 PM

The last months of Mozart's life must have been a real nightmare. Without enough time to compose the Requiem, that sinister unknown messenger, his obsessions on death, fatigue, illness, fever...

boo boo · 06-14-2010, 08:55 PM

Caveman is still a lousy troll I see.

06-14-2010, 08:44 PM	#39 (permalink)
Zaqarbal Music Addict Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Spain Posts: 824	The last months of Mozart's life must have been a real nightmare. Without enough time to compose the Requiem, that sinister unknown messenger, his obsessions on death, fatigue, illness, fever... __________________ "Lullabies for adults / crossed by the years / carry the flower of disappointment / tattooed in their gloomy melodies."

06-14-2010, 05:09 PM	#37 (permalink)
SGR No Ice In My Bourbon Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: /dev/null Posts: 4,327	I think Layne Staley belongs here just as much, if not more than Kurt does.