Tortured geniuses

TheCunningStunt · 06-14-2010, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by CAPTAIN CAVEMAN

kurt cobain, really? he wrote "edgy" pop/rock songs. are we putting him in the same category as leonardo da vinci here? good example of a true genius, and somehow cobain seems out of that league...

Pinning an influential painter against a musician is a bit like chalk and cheese. Kurt Cobain fused hard with melodic, even though he wasn't the first person to do that, he still made brilliant records and brilliant songs. His lyrics were obscure and they touched a generation. I'd class him as a genius with in music for sure. Brilliant lyricist, brilliant songwriter.

Charlemagne · 06-14-2010, 03:42 PM

Possibly?

TheCunningStunt · 06-14-2010, 03:43 PM

^ Definitely, for me anyway.

Goblin Tears · 06-14-2010, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by CAPTAIN CAVEMAN

kurt cobain, really? he wrote "edgy" pop/rock songs. are we putting him in the same category as leonardo da vinci here? good example of a true genius, and somehow cobain seems out of that league...

Da Vinci was an artist, not a musician, so that comparison is a little shaky. Anyway, we're talking about the word genius as applied to the modern music scene...so here, its really a matter of opinion.

Ohh, but speaking of which. Ludwig Van B suffered from manic depression. Gets a Grade A+ from me in both torment and genius!

~~CAPTAIN CAVEMAN~~ · 06-14-2010, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by TheCunningStunt

Pinning an influential painter against a musician is a bit like chalk and cheese. Kurt Cobain fused hard with melodic, even though he wasn't the first person to do that, he still made brilliant records and brilliant songs. His lyrics were obscure and they touched a generation. I'd class him as a genius with in music for sure. Brilliant lyricist, brilliant songwriter.

ok. look at it this way: did kurt do anything that really, in the large scheme of humanity's creative output, stands out? he only died less than twenty years ago. maybe his output seems important now, with the influence it's had on modern rock, but centuries later are people going to talk about his contrubitions to music like they do about mozart or beethoven? i don't think so.

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not exactly genius material.

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Originally Posted by Goblin Tears

Da Vinci was an artist, not a musician, so that comparison is a little shaky. Anyway, we're talking about the word genius as applied to the modern music scene...so here, its really a matter of opinion.

leonardo da vinci was more than just an artist. that's partly why he was a genius...

yeah, it's all a matter of opinion. of course. "everything is subjective." ad nauseam. if kurt cobain is a genius then so is lady gaga. hmmmMMMMmmmmm

~~CAPTAIN CAVEMAN~~ · 06-14-2010, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by VocalsBass

If you like Nirvana, you know what a great lyricist Cobain was.

~~James~~ · 06-14-2010, 03:59 PM

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TheCunningStunt · 06-14-2010, 04:01 PM

Comparing Kurt Cobain to Lady Gaga? Get out.

Kurt Cobain had an influence on modern rock, regardless of his death. People using the fact he shot his brains out against him is ridiculous. "They only get the attention cos the front man died." (Not saying you're fully saying that or anything.) Mozart was around in the 1700s, Kurt was around in the 1990s.. Just because Nirvana were overexposed doesn't take away, for me the fact Kurt was a genius and a tortured one at that.

Freebase Dali · 06-14-2010, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by VocalsBass

Are you some kind of racist? or just along standing troll still here at MB?

Face-palming is racist trolling?!?
Should he have used a white guy, because that would have been.... BETTER?

~~CAPTAIN CAVEMAN~~ · 06-14-2010, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by TheCunningStunt

Comparing Kurt Cobain to Lady Gaga? Get out.

Kurt Cobain had an influence on modern rock, regardless of his death. People using the fact he shot his brains out against him is ridiculous. "They only get the attention cos the front man died." (Not saying you're fully saying that or anything.) Mozart was around in the 1700s, Kurt was around in the 1990s.. Just because Nirvana were overexposed doesn't take away, for me the fact Kurt was a genius and a tortured one at that.

how ironic, you comparing kurt cobain to mozart or beethoven by calling cobain a genius is even more offensive than me comparing cobain to lady gaga. they're both modern musicians who write pop/rock songs; cobain's lyrics are pretty equal to lady gaga's in terms of complexity. i don't even know if she writes her only lyrics which actually strengthens my point i think...

you said essentially nothing about what i was saying. i never said anything about his suicide, nor about nirvana's level of exposure. that has nothing to do with it.

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Originally Posted by VocalsBass

Are you some kind of racist? or just along standing troll still here at MB?

both?

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Originally Posted by Freebase Dali

Face-palming is racist trolling?!?
Should he have used a white guy, because that would have been.... BETTER?

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06-14-2010, 03:42 PM	#22 (permalink)
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06-14-2010, 04:01 PM	#28 (permalink)
TheCunningStunt love will tear you apart Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Manchester, UK. Posts: 5,107	Comparing Kurt Cobain to Lady Gaga? Get out. Kurt Cobain had an influence on modern rock, regardless of his death. People using the fact he shot his brains out against him is ridiculous. "They only get the attention cos the front man died." (Not saying you're fully saying that or anything.) Mozart was around in the 1700s, Kurt was around in the 1990s.. Just because Nirvana were overexposed doesn't take away, for me the fact Kurt was a genius and a tortured one at that. __________________ I don't feel and I feel great. Last FM

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~~James~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Scotland Posts: 4,483	Alex Chilton.