The shuffle mentality vs the full album

clutnuckle · 06-08-2010, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Rhovanion

Music for me is all about the music, meaning the actual melody. If a song doesn't have a good melody, it's not a good song in my opinion.

Music isn't just 'melody'. You'd have to do a lot of generalizing to narrow it down to just a melody. Brilliant music is made without focus on 'melodies', that doesn't mean it isn't worth somebody's time.

dankrsta · 06-08-2010, 04:10 PM

^^Exactly. Music is the organization of sounds. That organization doesn't have to be harmonious. Otherwise rhythm and improvisation wouldn't be considered music and that is a great part of it through the entire 20th century.

Rhovanion · 06-08-2010, 06:25 PM

A song could have the most brilliant lyrics or awesome rhythm/beat, but if it doesn't have a good melody, I don't consider it to be good music. When you're singing along to a song, it's the core melody you're singing along to. If you play an instrument that doesn't allow you to harmonize and you play a song all by yourself, it'll be the core melody you're playing. That to me is the heart and soul of the song.

Music in its original, primitive and essential form is melody.

You can harp on me all you want, it doesn't take away the fact that a song with a bad/boring/bland melody doesn't appeal to me. It's not something I've decided, that's just what I feel when I listen to music.

Maybe I'm using the wrong word/term here. English isn't my native language. When I say melody I mean the tune of the whole song in general. The actual 'music' if you'd strip away all lyrics, harmonizations, instrumentations and arrangements. What you'd sing if you performed a capella.

FETCHER. · 06-08-2010, 07:08 PM

i cant believe the amount of member who listen to solid albums. i find it reeeallly boring. i need to break everything up

Rhovanion · 06-08-2010, 07:15 PM

I don't find it boring, I just enjoy playlists with lots of different songs and artists (played at random) more. I think that comes from all the mixtapes I used to make back in the day.

sidewinder · 06-08-2010, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by kayleigh.

i cant believe the amount of member who listen to solid albums. i find it reeeallly boring. i need to break everything up

I can't believe the amount of members that DON'T listen to full albums, truthfully. Based on the threads I'm usually participating in, anyway.

clutnuckle · 06-08-2010, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Rhovanion

A song could have the most brilliant lyrics or awesome rhythm/beat, but if it doesn't have a good melody, I don't consider it to be good music. When you're singing along to a song, it's the core melody you're singing along to. If you play an instrument that doesn't allow you to harmonize and you play a song all by yourself, it'll be the core melody you're playing. That to me is the heart and soul of the song.

Music in its original, primitive and essential form is melody.

You can harp on me all you want, it doesn't take away the fact that a song with a bad/boring/bland melody doesn't appeal to me. It's not something I've decided, that's just what I feel when I listen to music.

Maybe I'm using the wrong word/term here. English isn't my native language. When I say melody I mean the tune of the whole song in general. The actual 'music' if you'd strip away all lyrics, harmonizations, instrumentations and arrangements. What you'd sing if you performed a capella.

Well, you did basically say 'melody is music'. Melody by definition is the succession of single tones in musical compositions, as distinguished from harmony and rhythm. Music isn't just a melody, it's often various melodies with harmonies/rhythms/atmospheric presences. And if you generalize that far, it's just a fraction of what music really is.

And if a song didn't have a melody, would you just not consider it music? I'm not trying to harp on you; Just trying to understand.

Rhovanion · 06-09-2010, 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by clutnuckle

Well, you did basically say 'melody is music'. Melody by definition is the succession of single tones in musical compositions, as distinguished from harmony and rhythm. Music isn't just a melody, it's often various melodies with harmonies/rhythms/atmospheric presences. And if you generalize that far, it's just a fraction of what music really is.

And if a song didn't have a melody, would you just not consider it music? I'm not trying to harp on you; Just trying to understand.

Well like I said, I might have been using the wrong term. Melody to me is the core tune of a song, from start to finish. What's left when everything else is stripped away.

I'm not saying the actual tune is the be all and end all of music, but what I am saying is that it's the most important thing in a song for me and what I judge it by. When you sing along to a song, you don't sing along to the atmospheric presences or rhythms. And I consider harmonies (and chord progressions) to be part of the melody too because they help carry it.

You're going to have to give an example of a song with no melody because I can't even fathom what that kind of music would be like.

almonds · 06-09-2010, 06:00 AM

IT depends on my mood. Sometimes I'll listen to one random song and sometimes I'll listent o the whole album first. But sometimes I'll also skip a song while listening to the album.

dankrsta · 06-09-2010, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Rhovanion

Well like I said, I might have been using the wrong term. Melody to me is the core tune of a song, from start to finish. What's left when everything else is stripped away.

Sorry to break in your conversation. I hope you don't mind. I want to address the bold part. When you strip a piece of music (I'm not talking just about song form, but any form) from everything else, as you said, you are actually left with abstract tones, not melody, because all the connections between those tones are gone with harmony, rhythm, and most importantly composition (a meaningful succession and arrangement of tones).

Now, the question is - can those abstract, random tones be considered music? I believe - yes. Because, if you can make the connections between tones in your mind, than it is music. Besides, music doesn't even exist without its listener.

View Poll Results: The shuffle mentality vs the full album experience
shuffle mentality; I Pick and chose my favourite songs, and hit "shuffle"	9	20.93%
I can only listen to the full album	21	48.84%
Other (just in case there is another option)	13	30.23%
Voters: 43. You may not vote on this poll

06-08-2010, 04:10 PM	#42 (permalink)
dankrsta ... Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 1,776	^^Exactly. Music is the organization of sounds. That organization doesn't have to be harmonious. Otherwise rhythm and improvisation wouldn't be considered music and that is a great part of it through the entire 20th century. __________________ Last.fm Last edited by dankrsta; 06-08-2010 at 04:18 PM.

06-08-2010, 06:25 PM	#43 (permalink)
Rhovanion Under A Violet Moon Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Winterfell Posts: 65	A song could have the most brilliant lyrics or awesome rhythm/beat, but if it doesn't have a good melody, I don't consider it to be good music. When you're singing along to a song, it's the core melody you're singing along to. If you play an instrument that doesn't allow you to harmonize and you play a song all by yourself, it'll be the core melody you're playing. That to me is the heart and soul of the song. Music in its original, primitive and essential form is melody. You can harp on me all you want, it doesn't take away the fact that a song with a bad/boring/bland melody doesn't appeal to me. It's not something I've decided, that's just what I feel when I listen to music. Maybe I'm using the wrong word/term here. English isn't my native language. When I say melody I mean the tune of the whole song in general. The actual 'music' if you'd strip away all lyrics, harmonizations, instrumentations and arrangements. What you'd sing if you performed a capella. __________________ Last edited by Rhovanion; 06-08-2010 at 06:32 PM.

06-08-2010, 07:15 PM	#45 (permalink)
Rhovanion Under A Violet Moon Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Winterfell Posts: 65	I don't find it boring, I just enjoy playlists with lots of different songs and artists (played at random) more. I think that comes from all the mixtapes I used to make back in the day. __________________

06-09-2010, 06:00 AM	#49 (permalink)
almonds Groupie Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Middle of Somewhere Posts: 38	IT depends on my mood. Sometimes I'll listen to one random song and sometimes I'll listent o the whole album first. But sometimes I'll also skip a song while listening to the album.