What's the general consensus on Mike Patton here?

instereowhereavailable · 05-12-2010, 01:24 AM

I'm a newbie, don't hold it against me. I've been listening to Patton and all of his projects from the good (Faith No More, Fantomas) to the bad (Mike Patton solo/Mondo Cane) for most of my life. I know not everyone likes him, but is he generally respected here?

mr dave · 05-12-2010, 01:41 AM

yup no need for idolatry though. he's just a man after all hahaha

though i think i like Tomahawk best at this point. FNM is great straight across the board, i'm hit or miss on Bungle, gotta be in the right mood for Fantomas aside from The Director's Cut, Peeping Tom was poo aside from 2 maybe 3 tracks, still haven't checked out Lovage - hesitant after PT, General Patton vs. The Executioners is also ace in my book.

instereowhereavailable · 05-12-2010, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by mr dave

yup no need for idolatry though. he's just a man after all hahaha

though i think i like Tomahawk best at this point. FNM is great straight across the board, i'm hit or miss on Bungle, gotta be in the right mood for Fantomas aside from The Director's Cut, Peeping Tom was poo aside from 2 maybe 3 tracks, still haven't checked out Lovage - hesitant after PT, General Patton vs. The Executioners is also ace in my book.

Lovage is good. It's different from anything else he is involved with. Tomahawk is great too. Peeping Tom was a disappointment, I agree with you there.

**Janszoon** · 05-12-2010, 05:31 AM

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Originally Posted by instereowhereavailable

I'm a newbie, don't hold it against me. I've been listening to Patton and all of his projects from the good (Faith No More, Fantomas) to the bad (Mike Patton solo/Mondo Cane) for most of my life. I know not everyone likes him, but is he generally respected here?

I guess so. I know I'm a fan. Though truth be told I'm not as interested in him as I used to be. Recently I even found myself slightly disappointed when he showed as a guest vocalist on an album I was listening to that was exactly the type of album you'd expect him to show up on and he gave exactly the type of vocal performance you'd expect him to give.

That said, the man has released a lot of great stuff over the course of his career and in my mind that includes Peeping Tom. I'm surprised by all the hate on that one.

mr dave · 05-12-2010, 04:29 PM

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That said, the man has released a lot of great stuff over the course of his career and in my mind that includes Peeping Tom. I'm surprised by all the hate on that one.

i think a lot of the disdain towards this project is due to the ridiculous potential the collaborations it contained presented and ultimately failed at providing. Patton and Tobin should have been awesome i was SO stoked to hear what kind of awesome those two could put together, i was NOT expecting them to take a tag team dump in my ears.

that, and the whole press leading up to the release about how this was Patton's 'pop' album, how he was going to show the mainstream how it was supposed to be done. yeah that didn't reek of pretentiousness, or come across as dated - like someone who's lost touch with the pulse of the mainstream they were purportedly to 'educate'.

on top of all that the album does open with a good track (5 seconds), it did leave me wanting more, until the rest started, it's only again on the very last track (we're not alone) that i found myself interested again. everything else sandwiched between those tracks is lame, it all comes across the same way, there's a little uniqueness right at the start while the collaborator establishes a style then they're Patton-ified the same way, some nasal singing run through a few effects over and over and over.

it's not like he was incapable of doing something interesting as proven on the two tracks i noted earlier but for whatever reason everything in the middle feels forced, half baked, unfinished, and just slapped together for no other reason than being able to have a who's who of collaborator's on the track listing instead of having a collection of great tracks from a small handful of like minded people. it starts with a bang and ends with one too, but accomplishes absolutely nothing between those points, and that to me is why PT is such a huge letdown as an album.

**Janszoon** · 05-12-2010, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by mr dave

i think a lot of the disdain towards this project is due to the ridiculous potential the collaborations it contained presented and ultimately failed at providing. Patton and Tobin should have been awesome i was SO stoked to hear what kind of awesome those two could put together, i was NOT expecting them to take a tag team dump in my ears.

that, and the whole press leading up to the release about how this was Patton's 'pop' album, how he was going to show the mainstream how it was supposed to be done. yeah that didn't reek of pretentiousness, or come across as dated - like someone who's lost touch with the pulse of the mainstream they were purportedly to 'educate'.

on top of all that the album does open with a good track (5 seconds), it did leave me wanting more, until the rest started, it's only again on the very last track (we're not alone) that i found myself interested again. everything else sandwiched between those tracks is lame, it all comes across the same way, there's a little uniqueness right at the start while the collaborator establishes a style then they're Patton-ified the same way, some nasal singing run through a few effects over and over and over.

it's not like he was incapable of doing something interesting as proven on the two tracks i noted earlier but for whatever reason everything in the middle feels forced, half baked, unfinished, and just slapped together for no other reason than being able to have a who's who of collaborator's on the track listing instead of having a collection of great tracks from a small handful of like minded people. it starts with a bang and ends with one too, but accomplishes absolutely nothing between those points, and that to me is why PT is such a huge letdown as an album.

Well, hype or no, I still like it basically from beginning to end. Though I did lol at your imagery of Patton and Tobin taking a dual dump in your ear.

mr dave · 05-12-2010, 05:34 PM

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Well, hype or no, I still like it basically from beginning to end. Though I did lol at your imagery of Patton and Tobin taking a dual dump in your ear.

hahaha i was imagining a back to back dual purge into a single ear. were you on the same page or thinking one on each side? haha

plus if we all liked the same things it would make for a pretty boring world.

**Janszoon** · 05-12-2010, 05:42 PM

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hahaha i was imagining a back to back dual purge into a single ear. were you on the same page or thinking one on each side? haha

plus if we all liked the same things it would make for a pretty boring world.

I pictured one ear with them squatting at roughly a 90 degree angle to each other, each looking in the other's direction and grinning.

I hadn't even considered the two ear scenario.

TheCunningStunt · 05-12-2010, 05:41 AM

I think I've noticed that a lot of people around here like Faith No More, not so sure about Mike Patton as a soloist or person or whatever.. Although I'm not a fan of FNM.

MrBlueShirt · 05-12-2010, 08:04 AM

The album he did with Dillinger Escape Plan was awesome.

Irony is a Dead Scene was the name of it.

05-12-2010, 01:24 AM	#1 (permalink)
instereowhereavailable Groupie Join Date: May 2010 Location: West Virginia Posts: 19	What's the general consensus on Mike Patton here? I'm a newbie, don't hold it against me. I've been listening to Patton and all of his projects from the good (Faith No More, Fantomas) to the bad (Mike Patton solo/Mondo Cane) for most of my life. I know not everyone likes him, but is he generally respected here?

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TheCunningStunt love will tear you apart Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Manchester, UK. Posts: 5,107	I think I've noticed that a lot of people around here like Faith No More, not so sure about Mike Patton as a soloist or person or whatever.. Although I'm not a fan of FNM.

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MrBlueShirt Groupie Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 6	The album he did with Dillinger Escape Plan was awesome. Irony is a Dead Scene was the name of it.