What's the general consensus on Mike Patton here?

Alfred · 05-12-2010, 05:08 PM

His vocals make Irony Is A Dead Scene. I enjoy Faith No More as well, and Mr. Bungle's "California" is a pretty cool album, even though I only listened the whole way thru once. Tomahawk is all right.

He's definitely one of the best vocalists out there.

sidewinder · 05-12-2010, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by hip hop bunny hop

Mike Patton is a man who puts novelty above quality, consistently. The bands that accompany his antics are generally ****, however that seems to be the point; make the music boring, dull and pointlessly novel so that everyone pays attention to the vocals.

His work with the Dillenger Escape Plan seems to the summary of his work; pointless, "look at what I can do!" novelty.

I wish him the worst.

That seems a bit extreme. I highly doubt anyone would think that making their music dull and boring is a good way to make people pay attention to anything.

mr dave · 05-12-2010, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

That said, the man has released a lot of great stuff over the course of his career and in my mind that includes Peeping Tom. I'm surprised by all the hate on that one.

i think a lot of the disdain towards this project is due to the ridiculous potential the collaborations it contained presented and ultimately failed at providing. Patton and Tobin should have been awesome i was SO stoked to hear what kind of awesome those two could put together, i was NOT expecting them to take a tag team dump in my ears.

that, and the whole press leading up to the release about how this was Patton's 'pop' album, how he was going to show the mainstream how it was supposed to be done. yeah that didn't reek of pretentiousness, or come across as dated - like someone who's lost touch with the pulse of the mainstream they were purportedly to 'educate'.

on top of all that the album does open with a good track (5 seconds), it did leave me wanting more, until the rest started, it's only again on the very last track (we're not alone) that i found myself interested again. everything else sandwiched between those tracks is lame, it all comes across the same way, there's a little uniqueness right at the start while the collaborator establishes a style then they're Patton-ified the same way, some nasal singing run through a few effects over and over and over.

it's not like he was incapable of doing something interesting as proven on the two tracks i noted earlier but for whatever reason everything in the middle feels forced, half baked, unfinished, and just slapped together for no other reason than being able to have a who's who of collaborator's on the track listing instead of having a collection of great tracks from a small handful of like minded people. it starts with a bang and ends with one too, but accomplishes absolutely nothing between those points, and that to me is why PT is such a huge letdown as an album.

jackhammer · 05-12-2010, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by sidewinder

That seems a bit extreme. I highly doubt anyone would think that making their music dull and boring is a good way to make people pay attention to anything.

Agreed. His vocals do take prominence on a lot of material but if there is nothing to back it up musically , then it doesn't matter how original the vocal style is.

As a singer- he's not the best but as a vocalist? He's original and is always searching for new techniques to use his voice as an actual instrument and although he is an acquired taste at times, I always admire someone trying something new and pushing boundaries.

mr dave · 05-12-2010, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by hip hop bunny hop

Mike Patton is a man who puts novelty above quality, consistently. The bands that accompany his antics are generally ****, however that seems to be the point; make the music boring, dull and pointlessly novel so that everyone pays attention to the vocals.

His work with the Dillenger Escape Plan seems to the summary of his work; pointless, "look at what I can do!" novelty.

I wish him the worst.

this is not the first time you try too hard at trolling.

seriously, you suck.

you also misspelled Dillinger genius.

**Janszoon** · 05-12-2010, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by mr dave

i think a lot of the disdain towards this project is due to the ridiculous potential the collaborations it contained presented and ultimately failed at providing. Patton and Tobin should have been awesome i was SO stoked to hear what kind of awesome those two could put together, i was NOT expecting them to take a tag team dump in my ears.

that, and the whole press leading up to the release about how this was Patton's 'pop' album, how he was going to show the mainstream how it was supposed to be done. yeah that didn't reek of pretentiousness, or come across as dated - like someone who's lost touch with the pulse of the mainstream they were purportedly to 'educate'.

on top of all that the album does open with a good track (5 seconds), it did leave me wanting more, until the rest started, it's only again on the very last track (we're not alone) that i found myself interested again. everything else sandwiched between those tracks is lame, it all comes across the same way, there's a little uniqueness right at the start while the collaborator establishes a style then they're Patton-ified the same way, some nasal singing run through a few effects over and over and over.

it's not like he was incapable of doing something interesting as proven on the two tracks i noted earlier but for whatever reason everything in the middle feels forced, half baked, unfinished, and just slapped together for no other reason than being able to have a who's who of collaborator's on the track listing instead of having a collection of great tracks from a small handful of like minded people. it starts with a bang and ends with one too, but accomplishes absolutely nothing between those points, and that to me is why PT is such a huge letdown as an album.

Well, hype or no, I still like it basically from beginning to end. Though I did lol at your imagery of Patton and Tobin taking a dual dump in your ear.

mr dave · 05-12-2010, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

Well, hype or no, I still like it basically from beginning to end. Though I did lol at your imagery of Patton and Tobin taking a dual dump in your ear.

hahaha i was imagining a back to back dual purge into a single ear. were you on the same page or thinking one on each side? haha

plus if we all liked the same things it would make for a pretty boring world.

**Janszoon** · 05-12-2010, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by mr dave

hahaha i was imagining a back to back dual purge into a single ear. were you on the same page or thinking one on each side? haha

plus if we all liked the same things it would make for a pretty boring world.

I pictured one ear with them squatting at roughly a 90 degree angle to each other, each looking in the other's direction and grinning.

I hadn't even considered the two ear scenario.

sidewinder · 05-12-2010, 06:44 PM

The two tracks I like most on Peeping Tom are 'Your Neighborhood Spaceman' and 'You're Not Alone.' Hearing 'You're Not Alone' before the album came out, I was VERY excited. But nothing else came close, it's still my favorite song on the album. Again I don't hate it, it just could have been better.

**Janszoon** · 05-12-2010, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by sidewinder

The two tracks I like most on Peeping Tom are 'Your Neighborhood Spaceman' and 'You're Not Alone.' Hearing 'You're Not Alone' before the album came out, I was VERY excited. But nothing else came close, it's still my favorite song on the album. Again I don't hate it, it just could have been better.

I'd say "Mojo" is probably my favorite track on the album. But I also rate "We're Not Alone", "Celebrity Death Match" and "Sucker" really highly as well.

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