Nirvana ruined rock music. Who agrees?

Highwayman · 04-27-2010, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Conan

I was being sarcastic dude.

good.

but, Cunning... I'm disappointed.

John Lennon's your avatar for crying out loud! He idolized Elvis!

~~someonecompletelyrandom~~ · 04-27-2010, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Roygbiv

Nirvana didn't so much inspire as they opened the floodgates for a number of alternative rock bands to flow through.

Nirvana gave a certain type of underground music to get mainstream recognition. Most of the bands that came after were doing their own thing before Nirvana, some of them way before.

If the music that came after blew, it was the fault of the band itself.

That's pretty much my summation of this. I don't like hair metal, or any of the band's the guy listed as being "fun" rock music. I way prefer grunge music (which as a whole wasn't that great) to what came before it.

I think Nirvana were pretty brilliant actually.

But yeah... I'm pretty sure we've all reached a similar conclusion so time to let this bad boy die.

IWP · 04-27-2010, 10:27 PM

All I know is that the rock and metal scene in the 80s ****s on the rock scene in the 90s. Though I do like a few 90s bands (Red Hot Chili Peppers, Alice in Chains, Soundgarden, 311, Sublime, White Zombie). However, I do agree with the OP somewhat though that Nirvana did somewhat indirectly ruin rock music, not because grunge and 90s alternative music is bad per say (infact I do like quite a few grunge bands), but because of what it would influence later on. i.e post-grunge, nu metal, rap rock, and I'll even go as far as saying that they influenced mainstream emo/screamo which along with "crunk music" would lead to the worst abomination of all, Brokencyde.

~~someonecompletelyrandom~~ · 04-27-2010, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by iwp

all i know is that the rock and metal scene in the 80s ****s on the rock scene in the 90s. Though i do like a few 90s bands (red hot chili peppers, alice in chains, soundgarden, 311, sublime, white zombie). However, i do agree with the op somewhat though that nirvana did somewhat indirectly ruin rock music, not because grunge and 90s alternative music is bad per say (infact i do like quite a few grunge bands), but because of what it would influence later on. I.e post-grunge, nu metal, rap rock, and i'll even go as far as saying that they influenced mainstream emo/screamo which along with "crunk music" would lead to the worst abomination of all, brokencyde.

wut...the fock.

What?the fock.

WHAT!?the fock.

How did Nirvana lead to nu-metal and rap rock? There are so many things wrong with that statement I want to pull my hair out.

IWP · 04-27-2010, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Conan

WHAT?the fock.

How did Nirvana lead to nu-metal and rap rock?

Simply put, grunge influenced post-grunge which influenced nu metal and rap rock since most of those bands share the "Oh my whole life is horrible, **** everything" attitude. Bands from all three of those genres pretty much fed off of the cash of angsty teens and stupid douchebags who don't know **** about music. Not to mention all of the scene kids who worship Kurt Cobain just because he died.

~~someonecompletelyrandom~~ · 04-27-2010, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by IWP

Simply put, grunge influenced post-grunge which influenced nu metal and rap rock since most of those bands share the "Oh my whole life is horrible, **** everything" attitude. Bands from all three of those genres pretty much fed off of the cash of angsty teens and stupid douchebags who don't know **** about music.

So by that logic... Elvis Presley, Jimi Hendrix and The Beatles are all responsible for BrokenCyde. It's called progression. Jimi Hendrix influenced hordes of terrible music that dominated the charts. Punk was a backlash against that. Eventually there were reactions against punk, etc.

I could see maybe blaming Nirvana for post-grunge... but to blame Nirvana for what POST-GRUNGE INSPIRED?! You don't think that's going too far? Not to mention Nirvana didn't even invent "grunge" nor were they the only popular grunge act. Pearl Jam were arguable as popular and would've been as popular with or without Nirvana.

IWP · 04-27-2010, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Conan

Not to mention Nirvana didn't even invent "grunge" nor were they the only popular grunge act. Pearl Jam were arguable as popular and would've been as popular with or without Nirvana.

Strange, I don't remember saying anything about Nirvana inventing grunge, of course they didn't, and no **** they weren't the only popular grunge band, there was Alice in Chains, Soundgarden, L7, Stone Temple Pilots, I could go on. However, Nirvana did popularize grunge. Pearl Jam's Ten album actually came out before Nevermind, but it didn't chart until Nirvana became big. They probably would've still been popular, but I doubt that they along with the rest of the grunge bands would have been nearly as big if it weren't for Nirvana. I'm not trying to **** on grunge by saying that I dislike Nirvana, because I actually do like quite a few grunge bands. I just think Nirvana is extremely overrated.

~~someonecompletelyrandom~~ · 04-27-2010, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by IWP

That's not what I meant at all. All that I'm saying is that Nirvana are responsible for influencing crappy bands who feed off of teen angst.

Every band that's ever been as popular as Nirvana has influenced scores of horrible music. Like I said in my post above.

IWP · 04-27-2010, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Conan

Every band that's ever been as popular as Nirvana has influenced scores of horrible music. Like I said in my post above.

Well that's quite obvious. However it's a matter of taste, some bands that you consider horrible, I might enjoy, and vice versa.

SATCHMO · 04-27-2010, 11:17 PM

When I saw this thread I thought that maybe it had resurfaced from five years ago, not three days ago.

Personally I blame Nintendo 64 and Monica Lewinski for the demise of modern music.

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IWP A S T H E T I C Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 532	All I know is that the rock and metal scene in the 80s ***s on the rock scene in the 90s. Though I do like a few 90s bands (Red Hot Chili Peppers, Alice in Chains, Soundgarden, 311, Sublime, White Zombie). However, I do agree with the OP somewhat though that Nirvana did somewhat indirectly ruin rock music, not because grunge and 90s alternative music is bad per say (infact I do like quite a few grunge bands), but because of what it would influence later on. i.e post-grunge, nu metal, rap rock, and I'll even go as far as saying that they influenced mainstream emo/screamo which along with "crunk music" would lead to the worst abomination of all, Brokencyde. __________________ insert witty remark here*

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SATCHMO Al Dente Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 4,708	When I saw this thread I thought that maybe it had resurfaced from five years ago, not three days ago. Personally I blame Nintendo 64 and Monica Lewinski for the demise of modern music.