OctaneHugo

To be fair those are some pretty terrible songs.

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sidewinder

Of course they are, but that's beside the point. It's like saying "shit stinks". OMG no wai!

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Queen Boo

I kind of like "Baby" and I appreciate pop music. Its just really stiff, sounds completely manufactured. I couldn't do that. I could spend a year editing a song and it wouldn't come out like that. It takes a lot of work to make music thats completley edgeless.

Insane Guest

Well the thing is, for every person that can't do it, there is someone that can.
I could record a random beat, with some cool synthesized stuff behind it, give it to someone who knows there way around music editing, they'll make it into a beat. They'll get some kid on YouTube, have him sing about girls and love, some cheesy dance moves, and you've got a hit.
I Can't Be With Out You - Lil' Tony

Queen Boo

I don't think its the performing so much as the producing but yeah.....

Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra

Like Mr.Pro Tools?

Really, it's just attention to detail. I can understand it as a massively difficult craft in the pre-digital era when it was cutting up tape. But, I mean, in this day and age all it takes is the time, the hardware, and the software. Have a nice enough soundcard setup to facilitate recording/rendering of high quality audio, and I guarantee you it's probably, in the end, a lot easier than you're led to believe.

OctaneHugo

OK? Am I supposed to respect someone who's only in it for the money, or someone who says they're only in it for the money?

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Top 5 Worst Songs by Bands or Musicians I actually like which were followed by true classics with either the next album or single or (in the case of The Beatles) great songs that were being recorded on the same day.

1) The Bob Seger System - Cat (Noah, 1969) - From the kick ass "Ramblin' Gamblin' Man" to a bunch of clattering percussion and Bob shouting "CAT!" in little under a year. Noah was an album that had it's problems, not least letting someone else write songs for them on some tracks (Tom Neme; "Follow the Children" is clearly the runner up from this album, and it's his. Other example Neme title, "Loneliness is a Feeling" - Gee, sir, never knew that! I thought it was only a cloak to wear!). This time filler, however, is by Bob and fellow System members Dan Honaker and Pep Perrine, the team that at least had a classic in "Innervenus Eyes" on that troubled album. Hear it, survive it.

The Comeback: Thankfully, the next album was the killer Mongrel ("You can call me Lucifer!" - Seger's own "Jumping Jack Flash" level of artistic comeback...speaking of which...)

2) The Rolling Stones - Sing This All Together (And See What Happens) (Their Satanic Majesties Request, 1967) - And yet another Side One Time Filling Closer. Thankfully, you could just take the needle off the record and flip it over in this case with no problem, as unlike the ultra shaky Second of Noah, TSMR's second half was alright with two classics in there. The Stones could jam, but here the feeling was a little too hazy and lazy, sounding like what could be the final party over at Turner's before the place turned dark (Performance reference). Keith turns in a couple of good riffs, but it does not save things.

The Comeback: For their next trick...it's back to the kick ass and "Jumping Jack Flash."

3) Love - Revelation (Da Capo, 1967) - After a halfway decent Side One that was a bit worrying with some moments that were too flighty ("Orange Skies"), there's this. One of the first cases of "Fill 'Em Up" for an album, this should really have been recorded in it's live element, but instead, it was in a studio with bad vibes.

The Comeback: Well, at least fans were rewarded a little later with an album called Forever Changes in the Winter of '67.

4) The Cure - Give Me It (The Top, 1984) - I have defended this album slightly, but, there's one clunker that tried too hard to rock out that only sounds like a bunch of garbage bins falling over and Robert Smith wailing his voice all over the place. Not the best way to remember the first decade of The Cure with in my opinion.

The Comeback: Thankfully, the next album was the commercial breakthrough Head on the Door

5) The Beatles - If You Got Trouble (Out-take, later on Anthology 2) - This was so crap that it was just ditched. This was meant to be the Ringo song on Help.

The Comeback: On the same day, however, two class acts were being recorded. "Tell Me What You See" and most importantly "You've Got to Hide Your Love Away."

Still, in my book, it's better to really be great, then stink up the joint with something only to come back winning again than to be constantly commercial with an army of writers doing most of the work for you. At least I can waste away some time at the computer writing this out with some amusement.

More later...

Flyingpig437

sorry but no way on earth is Tell me what you see a classic.

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To each his own. For some reason, possibly as a kid, there was a subtle charm to it, especially when Ringo added a cool percussion track to it. All a part of their evolution, and while it was no classic, it was a class act being that it did have something a little different which may not have been fully developed, but still showed that they were willing to move into other directions that you could never see their Pop contemporaries doing until after The Beatles made the first attempt. To me, even with some of the lesser songs, it's the little steps recorded in their Late 64-Early/Mid 65 era on the way to recording their triumphs that matter, and Tell Me What You See is a bit on the Folk side with an interesting twist to their "address the audience" manner of the early days, although of course Lennon's "You've Got to Hide Your Love Away" showed them that the early days of expression had to end with more personal and stronger songwriting.

Not a classic, but still a class act in my book.