The Why Are/Is... thread

duga · 04-22-2010, 02:44 PM

I understand now, man...see my edit.

Apologies

Violent & Funky · 04-22-2010, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by RVCA

Why is Linkin Park considered crap? Why would you lump them together with Korn and Limp Bizkit?

I am usually the one asking that question with regards to KoRn. By the time Follow the Leader was released nu metal had hit the mainstream and it sounded little different from your Linkin Parks/Limp Bizkits of the world. But their self-titled debut is what sets them apart. It was released in 1994 and has plenty of honest emotion on it, not to mention some decent musicianship. What Fieldy was doing with the loose strings on his bass is easily my favorite aspect of the group.

Well, at least we can all agree Limp Bizkit sucked balls. And they are the one I'm playing the most often recently...

edit: and I'm glad you didn't lump Deftones in with the rest. An honest to goodness solid band.

The funny thing about nu metal is that the two heavy bands I mainly find myself listening to, Primus and Tool, are like the primary influences on the genre. So I almost have to like some of it...

BTown · 04-22-2010, 02:46 PM

Why is Daniel Johnston so widely liked/respected?

I have an album and am a fan of a few songs but I never really "got" him.

duga · 04-22-2010, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Violent & Funky

I am usually the one asking that question with regards to KoRn. By the time Follow the Leader was released nu metal had hit the mainstream and it sounded little different from your Linkin Parks/Limp Bizkits of the world. But their self-titled debut is what sets them apart. It was released in 1994 and has plenty of honest emotion on it, not to mention some decent musicianship. What Fieldy was doing with the loose strings on his bass is easily my favorite aspect of the group.

Well, at least we can all agree Limp Bizkit sucked balls. And they are the one I'm playing the most often recently...

edit: and I'm glad you didn't lump Deftones in with the rest. An honest to goodness solid band.

The funny thing about nu metal is that the two heavy bands I mainly find myself listening to, Primus and Tool, are like the primary influences on the genre. So I almost have to like some of it...

Judging from the last time Korn's debut was brought up, quite a few people here actually don't mind that one. So you are in good company as far as that goes.

But Limp Bizkit? For shame.

I thought they were cool when I was in middle school, wasn't quite sure what he meant by "nookie", but knew I had to have one.

Violent & Funky · 04-22-2010, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by mr dave

i think this is mostly due to the time period nu-metal appeared within the scope of the mainstream. it happened just as napster was taking off and P2P file sharing started having a very noticeable effect on every aspect of the music industry.

it was one of the first styles that was over saturated before it was actually established. the innovators of the style had barely finished wiping the sweat from their gear only to find out their style had already been pre-packaged and shoved down the throats of a new generation of adolescents who were already tired of the breakdowns. it was the last ditch effort to push a new style of music and in an act of probable desperation the labels seemed to use the idea of throwing crap at the wall until something stuck and then just kept throwing more of the same crap before going back to 'safe' pop stars and connect the dot 70s rock a la Nickelback.

by becoming so big so fast only the crap that appealed to the masses got really big (Korn, Limp Bizkit, Linkin Park, etc.) those who would have innovated and done something decent with the style moved on (Deftones, Fear Factory, etc.), whether it's because they no longer liked the style they helped create, or to distance themselves of the whiny self-serving nature that was fast becoming the core of the style, it's anyone's guess but the field seemed to deplete itself quickly.

as a result the terms 'nu-metal' and 'mall metal' are basically interchangeable. the style never managed to break out of adolescent rebellion and truly into its own, and for those who had already grown past that point in their own lives and were looking for a new style of metal/aggressive music were forced to look in more progressive directions, and that's not necessarily a bad thing.

Nice post, although I don't agree with all of it. I assume you just meant many of the statements as generalizations? How does a band like System of a Down fit into this outline?

Violent & Funky · 04-22-2010, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by duga

Judging from the last time Korn's debut was brought up, quite a few people here actually don't mind that one. So you are in good company as far as that goes.

But Limp Bizkit? For shame.

I thought they were cool when I was in middle school, wasn't quite sure what he meant by "nookie", but knew I had to have one.

I had a nookie when I was a baby.

I don't listen to Limp Bizkit for their artistic quality or anything. It's just a guilty pleasure. 'Break Stuff' is simple yet effective in my mind. No worries though, I have no problem labeling them crap.

RE: KoRn, I think there are still plenty of people who disregard them. And I dig half of the songs on Follow the Leader too. IMO, there is no denying this is a pretty good song:

Astronomer · 04-23-2010, 06:28 AM

I used to love Korn when I was younger. I think they have a lot of talent, there are loads of gems in many of their albums. That being said, there are also loads of disappointments. The reason I stopped listening to them was because I basically grew out of them - they have been around for (more than?) a decade and they are still singing about the same angsty youth type stuff. They had their moments though, some of Munky's guitar riffs are pretty brilliant, Fieldy's bass is beasty and Jonathan's vocals can be pretty touching.

RVCA · 04-23-2010, 12:29 PM

Why do people like the Dead Kennedys? I downloaded their discography after I heard Holiday in Cambodia, and decided they're complete crap.

TheCunningStunt · 04-23-2010, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by RVCA

Why do people like the Dead Kennedys? I downloaded their discography after I heard Holiday in Cambodia and decided that it was complete crap.

+1.

(Except not for the entire discography)

Just why are they rated so highly? I didn't find them particularly good.

Aden · 04-23-2010, 06:40 PM

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why are Nirvana so overrated?

Impossible!

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Why is Kurt Cobain considered the voice of a generation?

Because he's a genuis.

I know, I know... NOT the idea of thread.
I couldn't help myself though.

Forgive me.

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Astronomer we are stardust Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 2,894	I used to love Korn when I was younger. I think they have a lot of talent, there are loads of gems in many of their albums. That being said, there are also loads of disappointments. The reason I stopped listening to them was because I basically grew out of them - they have been around for (more than?) a decade and they are still singing about the same angsty youth type stuff. They had their moments though, some of Munky's guitar riffs are pretty brilliant, Fieldy's bass is beasty and Jonathan's vocals can be pretty touching. __________________

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