Originally Posted by RVCA (Post 854807)

Why is Linkin Park considered crap? Why would you lump them together with Korn and Limp Bizkit?

Originally Posted by Violent & Funky (Post 854953)

I am usually the one asking that question with regards to KoRn. By the time Follow the Leader was released nu metal had hit the mainstream and it sounded little different from your Linkin Parks/Limp Bizkits of the world. But their self-titled debut is what sets them apart. It was released in 1994 and has plenty of honest emotion on it, not to mention some decent musicianship. What Fieldy was doing with the loose strings on his bass is easily my favorite aspect of the group.

Well, at least we can all agree Limp Bizkit sucked balls. And they are the one I'm playing the most often recently... :laughing:

edit: and I'm glad you didn't lump Deftones in with the rest. An honest to goodness solid band.

The funny thing about nu metal is that the two heavy bands I mainly find myself listening to, Primus and Tool, are like the primary influences on the genre. So I almost have to like some of it... :laughing:

Originally Posted by mr dave (Post 854645)

i think this is mostly due to the time period nu-metal appeared within the scope of the mainstream. it happened just as napster was taking off and P2P file sharing started having a very noticeable effect on every aspect of the music industry.

it was one of the first styles that was over saturated before it was actually established. the innovators of the style had barely finished wiping the sweat from their gear only to find out their style had already been pre-packaged and shoved down the throats of a new generation of adolescents who were already tired of the breakdowns. it was the last ditch effort to push a new style of music and in an act of probable desperation the labels seemed to use the idea of throwing crap at the wall until something stuck and then just kept throwing more of the same crap before going back to 'safe' pop stars and connect the dot 70s rock a la Nickelback.

by becoming so big so fast only the crap that appealed to the masses got really big (Korn, Limp Bizkit, Linkin Park, etc.) those who would have innovated and done something decent with the style moved on (Deftones, Fear Factory, etc.), whether it's because they no longer liked the style they helped create, or to distance themselves of the whiny self-serving nature that was fast becoming the core of the style, it's anyone's guess but the field seemed to deplete itself quickly.

as a result the terms 'nu-metal' and 'mall metal' are basically interchangeable. the style never managed to break out of adolescent rebellion and truly into its own, and for those who had already grown past that point in their own lives and were looking for a new style of metal/aggressive music were forced to look in more progressive directions, and that's not necessarily a bad thing.

Originally Posted by duga (Post 854958)

Judging from the last time Korn's debut was brought up, quite a few people here actually don't mind that one. So you are in good company as far as that goes.

But Limp Bizkit? For shame.

I thought they were cool when I was in middle school, wasn't quite sure what he meant by "nookie", but knew I had to have one.

Originally Posted by RVCA (Post 855428)

Why do people like the Dead Kennedys? I downloaded their discography after I heard Holiday in Cambodia and decided that it was complete crap.