Beefs

duga · 03-30-2010, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by mr_weed

On the strength of that surely we the public at large lost this one!

Surely you are not implying that we would be better off without Billy Corgan? The guy has a huge ego, sure (I named my giant bong Billy Corgan's ego), but he is one of my favorite musicians.

~~someonecompletelyrandom~~ · 03-30-2010, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by duga

Surely you are not implying that we would be better off without Billy Corgan? The guy has a huge ego, sure (I named my giant bong Billy Corgan's ego), but he is one of my favorite musicians.

Agreed. His ego drove The Smashing Pumpkins to be so great, and at the same time he's responsible for breaking them up. Are him and D'arcy still beefing?

sidewinder · 03-30-2010, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Conan

When musicians fight, either in a war of words or in some kind of physical altercation, it is known ('specially in the hip hop community) as a beef. A well known example is the infamous Biggie Smalls/2pac beef that ended in both of their deaths. Discuss some of the most interesting beefs here.

One that's always struck me was the

Mr. Bungle/Red Hot Chili Peppers BEEF

RHCP frontman Anthony Kiedis saw Mike Patton performing with Faith No More and somehow got it into his head that Patton was imitating his style (and anybody who knows Patton's work knows it that couldn't be farther from the truth)

There was further conflict when Patton's later band, Mr. Bungle, was scheduled to release their album California around the same time as the RHCP album Californication. This resulted in an angry Kiedis pulling Mr. Bungle from several shows in Europe, shows for which Bungle had been booked months in advance.

From my tone it may be obvious who i'm siding with here. I think Patton put it best with “Our agent was in the process of booking these festivals, and it was becoming apparent that we'd landed some pretty good ones—one in France, another one in Holland, some big-name festivals. Turns out someone's holding a grudge! We were booted off several bills, specifically because Anthony Kiedis did not want us on the bill. He threatened to pull the Chili Peppers if Mr. Bungle was on the bill. Now, rationalize that one! That's so ****ing pathetic! I mean, this guy's selling a million records! We are not even a speck of dust on this guy's ass! What's the f*cking problem?"

Mr. Bungle never really bit back, and disbanded shortly afterwards.

Have you seen this?

I don't know if this came after the tour cancellations or not...but it's hilarious. Especially after the camera zooms in on Patton about halfway through. I'd venture to say this was probably direct retaliation for getting kicked off the tour.

~~someonecompletelyrandom~~ · 03-30-2010, 03:37 PM

LOL! I had heard about that. I love 2:13

Violent & Funky · 03-30-2010, 03:48 PM

I love when they bring out the ghost of Hillel Slovak...

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~~James~~ · 03-30-2010, 03:57 PM

Seriously no-one has mentioned Dandy Warhols vs. Brian Jonestown Massacre DiG is like hilarious all the way through.

sidewinder · 03-30-2010, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Conan

LOL! I had heard about that. I love 2:13

Haha, that is awesome. I think I missed it when I watched it earlier.

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Originally Posted by Violent & Funky

I love when they bring out the ghost of Hillel Slovak...

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Good one here too...much more mellow but there are some funny moments.

mr dave · 03-30-2010, 06:05 PM

gotta step into the Bungle / RHCP thing here for some quick clarification.

the initial beef stemmed from the similarities between Keidis and Patton's physical styles in their videos. compare Higher Ground and Epic. long hair, no shirt, monkey dancing.

HG (embedding disabled) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZat5TbRO3A

and now FNM's Epic - YouTube - Faith No More - Epic Music Video

there are obvious similarities. apparently the initial tiff that came about because of these videos were eventually smoothed out. then there are rumours about issues between a woman and the guys and... yeah not touching that.

then there's also the fact that Patton and the guys from Bungle considered the Chili Peppers to be compatriots of sorts in a new musical mission to spastically freak the funk out of the mainstream. again obvious similarities between the groups initial offerings. Patton and Bungle definitely soured on the Peppers as they garnered more mainstream attention, not so much because they weren't getting any but likely because they remembered a track called 'Nevermind'.

YouTube - Red Hot Chili Peppers- Nevermind

as for the California / Californication thing apparently Bungle had been planning on using the latter term for their 3rd album as well, but where Warner Brothers was hoping (and received) a commercial return to BSSM popularity they sided with the Peppers in the dispute for the album name.

at this point in the game Patton wasn't exactly shy about speaking his mind about a band he used to see as peers who were now acting like prima donnas. the european festival dates proved his point, but to claim that Bungle went the way of the dodo because of the Chili Peppers completely ignores the fact that Mike Patton and Trey Spruance had emerged as two very dominating personalities within the course of the group and apparently could barely stand working together during the production of California.

also the Bungle spoofs of the Peppers are one of the only things Patton has participated in that honestly disappointed me. what was the point of sinking to that level? from everything i've read they never had a problem with the Hillel Slovak era of the band so why trivialize him?

Violent & Funky · 03-30-2010, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by sidewinder

Good one here too...much more mellow but there are some funny moments.

That was the same night, just after Bungle's Chili Peppers "rendition"...

The Bullet · 03-30-2010, 07:28 PM

Axl Rose (and to some extent, Izzy Stradlin)/Vince Neil BEEF

Vince Neil was said to have punched Izzy Stradlin, the then rhythm guitarist for Guns 'N Roses, backstage at the MTV music awards, because Izzy harrassed his wife in an earlier incident. Afterwards, Axl and Vince kept talking **** about each other through the press. Vince Neil had challenged Axl Rose to a fight (in a video interview that made Axl look normal) which never happened. Each singer accused the other of backing off.

Winner: unknown

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Violent & Funky FUNky Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Midland, MI Posts: 2,482	I love when they bring out the ghost of Hillel Slovak... edit: Last edited by Violent & Funky; 03-30-2010 at 03:53 PM.

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~~someonecompletelyrandom~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,538	LOL! I had heard about that. I love 2:13

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The Bullet Music Addict Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 454	Axl Rose (and to some extent, Izzy Stradlin)/Vince Neil BEEF Vince Neil was said to have punched Izzy Stradlin, the then rhythm guitarist for Guns 'N Roses, backstage at the MTV music awards, because Izzy harrassed his wife in an earlier incident. Afterwards, Axl and Vince kept talking ** about each other through the press. Vince Neil had challenged Axl Rose to a fight (in a video interview that made Axl look normal) which never happened. Each singer accused the other of backing off. Winner: unknown**