Should musicians be on more than 30k a year

channel_islands_surf · 03-13-2010, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by loveissucide

Because the state provides the necessary educational, infrastructural and legal aid for economies to prosper. You'll find that unlike in the US, it is far easier to improve one's lot in life in Sweden,Finland or even Ireland as a result of the state's welfare system creating opportunities.

There's welfare in the US. I think a little too much. Is it my fault some chick had sex with 20 different guys and had 6 kids? Why should I have to work my ass off and pay for her lack of self discipline? Those kids are her responsibilty, not mine. People need to start accepting responsibilty for their own actions, and not count on the government and MY MONEY.

lucifer_sam · 03-13-2010, 12:07 PM

Can we just ban this idiot before he continues to embarrass himself? God knows we don't need a fucking America vs. the world flame war.

At least stick to the topic.

loveissucide · 03-13-2010, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by channel_islands_surf

People need to start accepting responsibilty for their own actions, and not count on the government and MY MONEY.

What about the idea of the individual being a part of a collective, and therefore having to ensure a strong collective in order to protect their own safety, employment and wellbeing.

**Janszoon** · 03-13-2010, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by channel_islands_surf

There's welfare in the US. I think a little too much. Is it my fault some chick had sex with 20 different guys and had 6 kids? Why should I have to work my ass off and pay for her lack of self discipline? Those kids are her responsibilty, not mine. People need to start accepting responsibilty for their own actions, and not count on the government and MY MONEY.

Why do I have a sneaking suspicion that you don't actually "work your ass off" at all?

Urban Hat€monger ? · 03-13-2010, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by channel_islands_surf

Well, I was taught by your generation bro! If you really want to go there, blame the kids. But your generation (of Americans, obviously you're not one) made it illegal to smack kids in school, made Child Protective Services, and all that "good" stuff. Now parents can't even discipline their kids without worrying about the neighbor ratting them out. Don't get me wrong, I support CPS... I just don't support the way they do business... taking calls from some anonymous schmuck down the street and the screws come knockin'! My dad was in the military, so he yelled a lot, and we had a few visits from those kiddie cops.

Anyway, I think everybody knows Europeans can't get rich as easily as they can in America. Sweden's taxes are like 80 something percent. Why should the government get to decide how much someone can make?

That isn't capping income like you said.

My generation? All that stuff was in place long before I was old enough to vote. How old do you think I am exactly?

Freebase Dali · 03-13-2010, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by saddle_sore

Im going to sound like a bit of a communist here, although that certainly isn't my intention.

Does anyone here think that succesful, famous musicians should be on more than 30k a year?

Does Madonna really need millions in her account?

Do Oasis, Coldplay or Greenday?

Does anyone?

I think not - I believe that if you choose a life of a musician, you should be happy with a stable income. Afterall, the job is entertainment in itself. I think its the same with footballers too.

I know a lot of people will disagree with me, but what are your thoughts?

Thanks!

You and Obama would get along fabulously.

**Janszoon** · 03-13-2010, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Freebase Dali

You and Obama would get along fabulously.

channel_islands_surf · 03-13-2010, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by loveissucide

What about the idea of the individual being a part of a collective, and therefore having to ensure a strong collective in order to protect their own safety, employment and wellbeing.

What about the idea of having your own ideas, being an individual, instead of being a follower like everybody in the collective?

Obviously, there is no right or wrong answer to this, but your beliefs. But at least on my side of the argument, you can choose whether you want to be a part of a collective or whether you want to be an individual. The way I see it, if I work for 500k a year (which I don't make), then I should have more of a right to decide where it goes than the government.

People can make their own charitible decisions, but if I don't want to be charitable then it's my decision. It's my money after all right, MY MAN!

This is what will weed out those greedy selfish bastards and the truly good people, and if you're religious, God will reward those good people, and if you're not religious at least you have the satisfaction that you did something good on your own.

I would be more than happy to give to charity, as long as I have a say in what charity my money goes to. With the government, I wouldn't.

P.S. What's with the name calling lucifer sam? Get a life ya schmuck.

music_phantom13 · 03-14-2010, 09:59 AM

Does anyone really need to limit the amount of money you make because you're good at what you do? I wouldn't think so. With whatever job you choose when you grow up, you should ask them to please pay you $30,000 a year and tell them that you love your job and you don't need lots of money. Getting to work is your reward. See how well it works out for you. And by the way, most musicians are working a hell of a lot more than 40 hours a week.

mr dave · 03-15-2010, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by channel_islands_surf

The way I see it, if I work for 500k a year (which I don't make), then I should have more of a right to decide where it goes than the government.

isn't that exactly how it already works with all the CEO bailouts, corporate political lobbyists, etc.

you ever actually work a job to support yourself independently from your folks?

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music_phantom13 Music Addict Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 942	Does anyone really need to limit the amount of money you make because you're good at what you do? I wouldn't think so. With whatever job you choose when you grow up, you should ask them to please pay you $30,000 a year and tell them that you love your job and you don't need lots of money. Getting to work is your reward. See how well it works out for you. And by the way, most musicians are working a hell of a lot more than 40 hours a week.