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Old 06-03-2010, 10:44 PM   #321 (permalink)
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Green Day and Offspring like you said. But like I indicated before, even though those two brought punk some mainstream attention in the early to mid 90s, they were hardly innovators. Pop-punk existed long before them.
Who had perfected pop punk to the same degree Green Day did?

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That may be true but hardly anyone was listening to them back then. Blink 182 didn't make it big until 1998.
They're still part of that class in my book. They weren't much younger than Green Day or The Offspring, they just didn't get as much attention...
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Old 06-03-2010, 10:45 PM   #322 (permalink)
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I started listening to Blink in 96 but was already into plenty of other pop punk bands in the few years before that. I'm not sure how that contributes to the discussion, so don't ask.
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Who else brought punk so mainstream
Um the Sex Pistols, The Clash, The Damned & The Ramones in 1976?
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Old 06-03-2010, 10:50 PM   #324 (permalink)
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Who had perfected pop punk to the same degree Green Day did?
The Clash, X, 7 Seconds, the Buzzcocks, the Jam, Generation X, the Ramones...

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They're still part of that class in my book. They weren't much younger than Green Day or The Offspring, they just didn't get as much attention...
Well it's not much a class to be a part of anyway, but you should keep in mind that that Green Day and Blink 182 became popular in very different musical environments. Even though, in retrospect, it was only a couple of years, things really changed a lot from the early/mid 90s to the late 90s.
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Old 06-03-2010, 10:58 PM   #325 (permalink)
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Um the Sex Pistols, The Clash, The Damned & The Ramones in 1976?
Those bands got played on you mom's radio station?
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Those bands got played on you mom's radio station?
Urban's mom owns a radio station?
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Old 06-03-2010, 11:13 PM   #328 (permalink)
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Those bands got played on you mom's radio station?
Not during the daytime obviously because of their content.
But lets look at the evidence shall we..


a national TV appearence & a national newspaper front cover before they even released a note.


National news report in the US on the Sex Pistols before they even played a gig there.


The Clash bring Times Square to a standstill and play 15 nights in a row there.

I think that's pretty much as mainstream as mainstream gets.
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Well MANY people would argue that punk has been part of the mainstream since it really "began" with bands like the Ramones, the Clash, and the Sex Pistols. Urban is implying that since these bands were in the mainsteam, these bands were pop-punk. Violent, you were implying that pop-punk is itself a sub-genre of punk. I am just pointing this out because it is important to this argument.

For me? I think that pop-punk is a terrible sub-genre (much like post-grunge) and blink was one of the bands that became the face of this genre, although not a pioneering member.
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