The Official "Music Was So Much Better in the Glorious Days of Yore" Thread

[Marie Monday]

Originally Posted by Mucha na Dziko

That opinion is kinda true though.
Maybe without the 80s.

If what we're taking in count is innovation, popularity, auteurism, etc

There might have been new concepts, ideas, genres in the 80s, 90s and today, but none of that can match the sheer power and broadness of what was happening in the 60s or 70s

It applies to the audience as well. Music is no longer a social force to be reckoned with, it's just another way to pass your time.

You may be right but I'm not so sure. It doesn't help that I'm not familiar with the modern music that seems to have edge, like some hiphop

[DriveYourCarDownToTheSea]

No, that would be the 1810's and 1820's.

[SlyStone63]

Originally Posted by Marie Monday

You may be right but I'm not so sure. It doesn't help that I'm not familiar with the modern music that seems to have edge, like some hiphop

How are you not familiar with modern music? You're 25 years old, this is basically your era for................. Music, sadly lol.

[The Batlord]

Originally Posted by SlyStone63

How are you not familiar with modern music? You're 25 years old, this is basically your era for................. Music, sadly lol.

You talk about a pretty limited slice of music from the 50s-80s, you know. Our generation has the internet so we actually have some idea of the breadth of music coming out now and how little of it we've listened to, unlike you oldies who didn't even know they didn't know **** back in the day. Dunning Kreuger effect basically.

[TimeTravellingToaster]

Greetings.

I believe that widespread technology advancements with audio and instruments and processing, played a pivotal role in music eras being enjoyed more by those more presence in the music emergence.

Travel safely,

- TTT

[Frownland]

We are truly blessed by your presence, Triple T.

Originally Posted by The Batlord

You talk about a pretty limited slice of music from the 50s-80s, you know. Our generation has the internet so we actually have some idea of the breadth of music coming out now and how little of it we've listened to, unlike you oldies who didn't even know they didn't know **** back in the day. Dunning Kreuger effect basically.

Nah, the only reasonable explanation is that musicians collectively forgot how to make music when one digit of the arbitrary (and inaccurate) calendar unit shifted.

[Marie Monday]

Originally Posted by SlyStone63

How are you not familiar with modern music? You're 25 years old, this is basically your era for................. Music, sadly lol.

This is the opposite equivalent of 'HoW Do YoU kNoW aLL tHaT oLd mUsIc YoUrE sO yOnUg'. What can I say, I'm not the young man you expect me to be.

Anyway, I wasn't saying I'm not familiar with modern music.

[jadis]

How are you not familiar with modern music? You're 25 years old, this is basically your era for................. Music, sadly lol.

There's something pretty funny about assuming some iron-clad determinism between one's age and the music one listens to.

I'm a millennial born in the 1980s; my parents brought me up on a pretty strict diet of classical music and as a teenager I had to adjust my ears in a major way to learn how to enjoy and appreciate electric guitars, for example. A couple of cool older friends I had then were really into UK punk and postpunk, and I got really into that.

Later, when I already was at uni in the 2000s, I discovered a bunch of 90s stuff including Bjork, Portishead, Aphex Twin, Beck, Public Enemy, The Orb, Stereolab, PJ Harvey, A Tribe Called Quest, Primus, Prodigy, Ween, MBV and DJ Shadow among many others (not to mention many of the greatest 90s records made by old timers like Neil Young and Tom Waits).

Moreover, many of the people of my age that I know had trajectories with music that resemble mine not in details but in variety. Your parents listen to Beatles and blues at home, then you get into Nurse with Wound, then you're following the post-hardcore scene etc.

I do think the internet has had a pretty ambiguous impact on how we access music and how it informs our identities... but assigning a date, any date, to "when music stopped being good" is not particularly grownup of you, to put it politely.

[rostasi]

What we have is basically a bunch of old people putting a template around the musicians that they grew up with and screaming loudly about their singular greatness while being baffled at why everyone else can’t see this “greatness” that was so ingrained in their genes. This same group of template creators are also in media where the myth is constantly perpetuated and carried on by those who have to continually justify its existence. When you’re unable to recognize nostalgia as a large part of your position, then you’re either being willingly disingenuous or naive to a fault.

[Mucha na Dziko]

Originally Posted by elphenor

the 50s and 80s were arguably a lot more important by the metrics you're listing

the whole framework of rock/pop was set in the 50s and you're just not going to get as popular as Elvis and Chuck Berry

then we kinda just never left the 80s

Well the Beatles or the Beach Boys were easily more popular in their time and more influential really (recording techniques/composition)

The framework might've been laid down, but it's not the framework that counts, it's the flesh and blood.


I think the statement about the 80s is not true. The world left the 80s long ago. Now even if you want to do kitsch, it has to be edgy and gritty. Back then you could do kitsch as an art form of it's own.