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Old 10-26-2011, 08:58 PM   #381 (permalink)
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When you try to make a point, it's usually good to provide proof to support your point, especially if you want to convince anyone that you are right.
An ironic comment coming from someone who hasn't provided any "proof" to back up his own claims. But I wouldn't expect any such links when we're talking about people as well known as The Beatles, Phil Spector and Buddy Holly. Who needs them? You can safely, and rightly, assume that I'm familiar enough with the Beatles catalog to not need links to their songs to discuss them. By the same token, I can assume that anyone who presents themselves as an authority on the popular music of the 50s and 60s is knowledgeable enough about legends like Buddy Holly and Phil Spector to talk about them intelligently, right?

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And i never said they were THE first, I said they were one of the first.
And I've demonstrated that even that unexciting claim is on very shaky ground.
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Old 10-26-2011, 09:13 PM   #382 (permalink)
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I said They were one of the first. Not the first. They weren't the first but they were one of the first. .

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Old 10-26-2011, 09:32 PM   #383 (permalink)
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I said They were one of the first. Not the first. They weren't the first but they were one of the first.
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Old 10-26-2011, 09:43 PM   #384 (permalink)
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I wouldn't refer to the crystals or the ronettes as rock. The wall of sound technique was developed in the early sixties, not long before the beatles, as you said. You've done nothing but say the beatles weren't the first, and they weren't, but I never claimed that.
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Old 10-26-2011, 09:50 PM   #385 (permalink)
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This debate is becoming tiresome... and I'm not even in it.
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Old 10-26-2011, 09:58 PM   #386 (permalink)
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^^any debate concerning the Beatles is automatically tiresome
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I wouldn't refer to the crystals or the ronettes as rock. The wall of sound technique was developed in the early sixties, not long before the beatles, as you said. You've done nothing but say the beatles weren't the first, and they weren't, but I never claimed that.
All you're doing is backpedaling and modifying your arguments as each and every one of your points is ground away by people who actually have knowledge about this type of stuff. I think it's time you lay this argument to rest.
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I wouldn't refer to the crystals or the ronettes as rock.
I would say they are about as much rock as "Eleanor Rigby" is.

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The wall of sound technique was developed in the early sixties, not long before the beatles, as you said.
Half a decade is a pretty long time in pop music. And it's funny how you just outright ignore my references to Buddy Holly, which would be music from the 50s.

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Old 10-26-2011, 10:06 PM   #389 (permalink)
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Yes, Buddy Holly did it in the late fifties. My point was The Beatles were one of the first to add those instruments to rock n roll, thats a fact. Not the first, but one of the first. I havent modified my points. I never said they were the first. He proved that The Beatles werent the first to do it, and that never was my claim.
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Yes, Buddy Holly did it in the late fifties. My point was The Beatles were one of the first to add those instruments to rock n roll, thats a fact. Not the first, but one of the first. I havent modified my points. I never said they were the first. He proved that The Beatles werent the first to do it, and that never was my claim.
You asked him to prove that The Beatles weren't the first, which in essence showed you were skeptical and needed proof.

And that's not even considering all the other times you're points have been disproven in this thread.
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