Music Banter Hall Of Fame: Nominations Thread

Double X · 07-27-2008, 04:41 PM

I think the poll is about wrapped up now, no?

Son of JayJamJah · 07-28-2008, 12:09 AM

New Band Tomorrow, any Guesses?

Piss Me Off · 07-28-2008, 05:08 AM

Yeah i think this wrapped up, maybe this one will be a closer affair?

Nominated by pheurton

ELLIOTT SMITH

"Here's a song I made up while I was watching Xena the Warrior Princess with the sound off. It's a fact. I had a secret crush on Xena. It was a secret to me too. I wouldn't admit it. She's pretty ****in' tough. She has a good yell... she kills the stupid gladiators with the log-trap. Release the log-trap! She releases the log-trap and they all get... crushed. They'd all wanna be with her if they could, but unfortunately they're not on her side. It's a lot better with the sound off. Really, it is. And the song didn't have anything to do with Xena... but... I was about half a bottle through Jameson's... if that makes any sense."

So I’m guessing this might be a trivial choice since hard hitting iconic artists even to the third world have been nominated so far. Although he might’ve not gone platinum twenty three times or pioneered a genre to critical acclaim he had other credible things like an Oscar nomination and having shaquille o'neal land on top of him during a basketball game.

I think I must've been on the verge of turning sixteen by a handful of months when I first picked up a copy of XO, prior to this I was still in shallow waters concerning the music world. My loves consisted of golden era hip/hop, and the likes of modest mouse and the arcade fire. These groups were like revolutionaries to my timid ears, so to say I had much aptitude concerning this spectrum would be like trying to **** in the woods and wipe my ass with a fluffy white rabbit. What this also meant was that I had nothing to compare Elliott too, which in hindsight was definitely a bad thing. After soaking up what I could get my hands on everything else sounded and still doe’s sound second class, everyone has their musical vice and mine came with the forefather of corduroys. For me Elliott’s work is the most sincere ever made, it's perfectly flawed and embodies emotion earnestly. I'm definitely being overly subjective and a fan-boy with both hands up his tushy, but I know I'm not alone in saying his music changed me as a person; and provided a kind of blanket that was always around to pick me up. Hence I can perfectly understand why he's a precarious choice; although I do know some of you love whatever he touched.

I'd stay clear of writing what he meant to me and chronicle his work instead; but it's too late for that and I think I’d rather express why I nominated him personally. He continually put out unblemished record after another and his posthumous releases are probably the mark of his tour de force, one man and a guitar can conjure anything more dissident, callous, earnest or affable than any orchestra or cohesion of virtuosos ever could; and I’d wear that point on my sleeve whatever the case so hyperbole isn’t the redeeming factor as to why I’m trying to win whoever over. Regardless, even if you haven’t heard of him at least this nomination might allow more people to discover his work.

I'm probably not doing him enough justice so if you're a virgin to his or undecided whether you'd consider him auspicious enough here is some songs of his for you to indulge in.

Waltz #2 (XO)

This is the first song I ever played of his and it remains my favourite even to this day. The way it's constructed blends everything outside to calm, yet it carries a vehement streak throughout its entirety. I have mixed emotions tied to this so my description probably isn't at all valid but at least he has his lucky bracelet on. Not many heterosexuals can carry that off with a pristine charm.

Tomorrow, Tomorrow

I know this doesn't really capitalise considering the variation of his work prior to me showing XO, but for technical prowess you can't score more brownie points than this.

Thirteen

Looks like someone can play big star better than big star themselves.

King's Crossing

I don’t think there are many people that can write a song where each word is as trouncing as this. If he was still here I think we'd see easily see a lo-fi cult in the vein of Jehovah's witness handing out Elliott compilations.

my whiny rant is over

Inuzuka Skysword · 07-28-2008, 05:38 AM

As much as I love Elliott Smith, I do not think he deserves to be in the hall of fame. He wasn't original to the point of creating a genre, or influencing one. He did have a lot of passion, which is why I like him, but it wasn't a huge amount. Even Jimi Hendrix has more passion. Maybe if this was "Lyricbanter" I would vote for him, but music-wise, it is a no.

pheurton · 07-28-2008, 06:47 AM

If the sole criteria for the hall of fame is based on the ilk of bands like the sex pistols this would easily get old FAST, there might as well not be a poll. I'd rather have a mixture of defining bands and just generally artists who are over hyped by people on here being nominated. If this wasn't the case it wouldn't be a musicbanter hall of fame; but more of a over-zealous lets see how many artists I can pigeon-hole into one list that people salivate over and regard them as influential because they had that one record people loved/hall of fame.

Demonoid · 07-28-2008, 07:15 AM

A No from me.
TBH, I've been quite bored listening to his music. I'm not goona question his talent or musicianship as many ppl here love what he does. But it hasn't done anything for me yet.

Double X · 07-28-2008, 07:42 AM

Undecided, I haven't heard enough of his music. Going to buy some now though off iTunes store now though, I liked the first link.

FaSho · 07-28-2008, 08:14 AM

its a no here...te musics good but not good enough

Son of JayJamJah · 07-28-2008, 09:31 AM

First and Foremost Super job pheurton on the Nomination post. I am not a huge fan, but I do think this nomination deserves serious consideration. i am going to wait until I listen to XO and Either\Or again. I think I'll also wait to here what Ethan and some of his other big fans here have to say.

Piss Me Off · 07-28-2008, 10:10 AM

Yeah it's a tough one for me, i like Elliott's music but i'm in no way a fan. I'm going to do a bit more listening as well and maybe get influenced by a good argument here.

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07-28-2008, 05:08 AM	#103 (permalink)
Piss Me Off Moodswings n' Roundabouts Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: At the corner of Dude and Catastrophe Posts: 4,512	Yeah i think this wrapped up, maybe this one will be a closer affair? Nominated by pheurton ELLIOTT SMITH "Here's a song I made up while I was watching Xena the Warrior Princess with the sound off. It's a fact. I had a secret crush on Xena. It was a secret to me too. I wouldn't admit it. She's pretty ***in' tough. She has a good yell... she kills the stupid gladiators with the log-trap. Release the log-trap! She releases the log-trap and they all get... crushed. They'd all wanna be with her if they could, but unfortunately they're not on her side. It's a lot better with the sound off. Really, it is. And the song didn't have anything to do with Xena... but... I was about half a bottle through Jameson's... if that makes any sense." So I’m guessing this might be a trivial choice since hard hitting iconic artists even to the third world have been nominated so far. Although he might’ve not gone platinum twenty three times or pioneered* a genre to critical acclaim he had other credible things like an Oscar nomination and having shaquille o'neal land on top of him during a basketball game. I think I must've been on the verge of turning sixteen by a handful of months when I first picked up a copy of XO, prior to this I was still in shallow waters concerning the music world. My loves consisted of golden era hip/hop, and the likes of modest mouse and the arcade fire. These groups were like revolutionaries to my timid ears, so to say I had much aptitude concerning this spectrum would be like trying to **** in the woods and wipe my ass with a fluffy white rabbit. What this also meant was that I had nothing to compare Elliott too, which in hindsight was definitely a bad thing. After soaking up what I could get my hands on everything else sounded and still doe’s sound second class, everyone has their musical vice and mine came with the forefather of corduroys. For me Elliott’s work is the most sincere ever made, it's perfectly flawed and embodies emotion earnestly. I'm definitely being overly subjective and a fan-boy with both hands up his tushy, but I know I'm not alone in saying his music changed me as a person; and provided a kind of blanket that was always around to pick me up. Hence I can perfectly understand why he's a precarious choice; although I do know some of you love whatever he touched. I'd stay clear of writing what he meant to me and chronicle his work instead; but it's too late for that and I think I’d rather express why I nominated him personally. He continually put out unblemished record after another and his posthumous releases are probably the mark of his tour de force, one man and a guitar can conjure anything more dissident, callous, earnest or affable than any orchestra or cohesion of virtuosos ever could; and I’d wear that point on my sleeve whatever the case so hyperbole isn’t the redeeming factor as to why I’m trying to win whoever over. Regardless, even if you haven’t heard of him at least this nomination might allow more people to discover his work. I'm probably not doing him enough justice so if you're a virgin to his or undecided whether you'd consider him auspicious enough here is some songs of his for you to indulge in. Waltz #2 (XO) This is the first song I ever played of his and it remains my favourite even to this day. The way it's constructed blends everything outside to calm, yet it carries a vehement streak throughout its entirety. I have mixed emotions tied to this so my description probably isn't at all valid but at least he has his lucky bracelet on. Not many heterosexuals can carry that off with a pristine charm. Tomorrow, Tomorrow I know this doesn't really capitalise considering the variation of his work prior to me showing XO, but for technical prowess you can't score more brownie points than this. Thirteen Looks like someone can play big star better than big star themselves. King's Crossing I don’t think there are many people that can write a song where each word is as trouncing as this. If he was still here I think we'd see easily see a lo-fi cult in the vein of Jehovah's witness handing out Elliott compilations. my whiny rant is over __________________ Last FM Rate Yr Music Muxtape

07-28-2008, 10:10 AM	#110 (permalink)
Piss Me Off Moodswings n' Roundabouts Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: At the corner of Dude and Catastrophe Posts: 4,512	Yeah it's a tough one for me, i like Elliott's music but i'm in no way a fan. I'm going to do a bit more listening as well and maybe get influenced by a good argument here. __________________ Last FM Rate Yr Music Muxtape

07-27-2008, 04:41 PM	#101 (permalink)
Double X sleepe Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: boston Posts: 1,140	I think the poll is about wrapped up now, no?

07-28-2008, 05:38 AM	#104 (permalink)
Inuzuka Skysword Existential Egoist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 1,468	As much as I love Elliott Smith, I do not think he deserves to be in the hall of fame. He wasn't original to the point of creating a genre, or influencing one. He did have a lot of passion, which is why I like him, but it wasn't a huge amount. Even Jimi Hendrix has more passion. Maybe if this was "Lyricbanter" I would vote for him, but music-wise, it is a no.

07-28-2008, 06:47 AM	#105 (permalink)
pheurton n/a Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 990	If the sole criteria for the hall of fame is based on the ilk of bands like the sex pistols this would easily get old FAST, there might as well not be a poll. I'd rather have a mixture of defining bands and just generally artists who are over hyped by people on here being nominated. If this wasn't the case it wouldn't be a musicbanter hall of fame; but more of a over-zealous lets see how many artists I can pigeon-hole into one list that people salivate over and regard them as influential because they had that one record people loved/hall of fame.

07-28-2008, 07:15 AM	#106 (permalink)
Demonoid Music Addict Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 734	A No from me. TBH, I've been quite bored listening to his music. I'm not goona question his talent or musicianship as many ppl here love what he does. But it hasn't done anything for me yet.

07-28-2008, 07:42 AM	#107 (permalink)
Double X sleepe Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: boston Posts: 1,140	Undecided, I haven't heard enough of his music. Going to buy some now though off iTunes store now though, I liked the first link.