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Old 07-08-2010, 06:09 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Classic example is the Ramones End of the Century with Phil Spector producing. Putting his wall of sound on top of the most basic rock group ever was a disaster. You can't hear the group amid all the strings and brass, the sound is muddled, a mess.

who thought this would be a good idea?
'Tis aw a muddle.
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Old 07-08-2010, 09:36 AM   #12 (permalink)
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I think the title goes to Bob Rock and his work on the Metallica Black album. Now that was over produced.

Phil Spector was pretty produced, but his was more of a style.
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Old 07-08-2010, 10:28 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Anything by Phil Spector, basically. Let It Be is a classic example, but also All Things Must Pass, which would've been a terrific album if it wasn't for the wall-of-sound technique.
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Old 07-08-2010, 10:51 AM   #14 (permalink)
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A thread exists on this subject from a few months back, but I can't find it because "overproduced" is not in the title. I don't remember what it was called. Anyone?
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Old 07-08-2010, 12:11 PM   #15 (permalink)
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John Lennon's Mind Games. I've always liked this album, but it was overproduced by John himself. He was insecure about his voice so he swathed it in reverb, and the arrangements are a mess. Some good songs were marred and lovely melodies smothered as a result.
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I read somewhere that John always had that vocal effect, he wouldn't sing without it, when the producer of a Beatles record tried to turn it off, John stopped until he turned it back on. I always thought he had some kind of effect on every vocal performance he delivered.
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Old 07-08-2010, 12:53 PM   #17 (permalink)
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For another album, maybe we can put some blame on U2's Pop for being among the albums that encouraged over-production.

Now to my defense for End of the Century. The Ramones needed to break away from the "First Four Albums" sound, and while the work with Spector was not as great, sometimes it was a perfect match and not as bloated as usually thought - The Wall of Sound vs. The Wall of Guitars with both sides influenced by the same Pop greatness. It works a little better if viewed as what could have been The Joey Ramone Show as it was clear that Spector wanted to really focus on the singer (The only reason why something like the cover of "Baby, I Love You" would wind up there), and while the techniques did cross the line (The always-mentioned version of "Rock and Roll High School" which to my ears was good with the Wall of Sound), in the end it was a good diversion that was inspired in concept but flawed in execution which still resulted in a few gems ("Do You Remember Rock and Roll Radio" and "Danny Says" especially).

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Old 07-08-2010, 01:13 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Anything by Phil Spector, basically. Let It Be is a classic example, but also All Things Must Pass, which would've been a terrific album if it wasn't for the wall-of-sound technique.
Phil Spector may have turned into one of the unforgivables, I'm still going to have to look back on his work with The Beatles as sometimes great. In the defense of The Wall of Sound for Let It Be, "Across the Universe" and "I Me Mine" alone stand well for his intrusion, although I do agree on those who thought that "The Long and Winding Road" was turned into ultra-mush. Siding with John, he did take what was about to be a failed project and did the best he could with it.

Spector's Sound worked it's best with his greatest hits and the Ronettes, but it did however hit a very over-produced bump in the road with what many consider as one of the Greatest Singles of all Time - "River Deep, Mountain High" by Ike and Tina Turner, which had one majestic performance by Tina that was swamped by an orchestra with an heavy amount of Reverb. I have yet to hear Spector's Post-Beatle/Pre-Ramones work, but I fear that those records are even more doses of hitting The Wall too hard.

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A thread exists on this subject from a few months back, but I can't find it because "overproduced" is not in the title. I don't remember what it was called. Anyone?
I'm guessing you meant this thread? I completely forgot I made it until you mentioned that

Anyway, I have another to add to the list. Most of R.E.M.'s 90s material is overproduced. Monster... ewww!


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A lot of raw black metal can be TOO "raw" and distorted that it just sounds like noise. I have too many examples to post. Sometimes it works unbelievably well though like in Sortsind's Sår and Brenoritvrezorkre's Vasagraebe Eakr Vatre Brenoritvrezorkre.
I'd say this song features some of my favourite black metal production. Drenched in fuzzy guitar but well-produced enough to have audible bass, raw enough to be sinister and demented, but not so raw that you can't hear what's going on, and not as hard on the ears as that Ulver song I posted.


Behemoth is an amusing case because they started out with production that was raw even by BM standards and then evolved into a DM band with some of the most sickeningly slick production I've heard in a metal band... seriously, how many times are the vocals layered in this song?

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Behemoth is an amusing case because they started out with production that was raw even by BM standards and then evolved into a DM band with some of the most sickeningly slick production I've heard in a metal band... seriously, how many times are the vocals layered in this song?

I like hearing what metal can sound like with intense production. I can see how a disaster might occur, but this album is freaking great.
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