The louder the lie, the better believed

duga · 01-01-2010, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Schizotypic

^That's just hilarious. Also, I'd like to thank Satchmo and his response for making it possible that reading this entire thread wasn't a complete waste of my time.

i agree 100%...cracked me up

ohyeahohyeah · 04-10-2010, 05:49 PM

Rock and roll minus the title really started with the boogie woogie craze in the 1930s. This was epitomized by Joe Turner and Pete Johnson, among others.It also sprang out of the Kansas City Jazz scene. What exactly is blues music anyway? Most people think it is the slow mournful wailing stuff, which is only one part of it. It is simply the three chord progression which can be played at any speed. When it is played fast,it is what became rock and roll. Even Dion DiMucci ,who now has a few decent blues albums out, admitted to borrowing from Sonny Boy Williamson and others for some of his early stuff. Elvis' Sun Recordings were mostly blues songs. This thing about rock and roll being a blend of country and blues is just a lot of hype to try to give the white music world some credit that it doesn't deserve, at least in the formation phase. I don't really see the country thing too much unless you're talking about Carl Perkins other tunes or Jerry Lee Lewis' next phase after he paid his price for certain "family" issues. When Bill Haley cut Shake,Rattle and Roll it was already a hit for Joe Turner, and Bill Haley was considered at the forefront of the white emergence. As great as Chuck Berry is, who, after all, were his sidemen at Chess Records but the Chicago Blues crowd and Johnnie Johnson. When you look at the progress made by so many jazz musicians, starting with Louis Armstrong and Joe "King" Oliver and on up to the beboppers in the 40s and 50s you can't say that what was being borrowed for rock and roll was a natural progression. This is why jazz musicians, when they weren't profiting at times from the new "thing", weren't that impressed with rock and roll. Once the white community embraced rock and roll and later the white "discovery" of the blues through the British Invasion revelations, the black community didn't want to have too much to do with either, as fans. Today you have a situation where, as an earlier contributor to this thread has said, that most music forms are stagnant, most having been around for decades. Where do we go from here? Or should I say, what new trend will the African-American community come up with next?

jackhammer · 04-10-2010, 07:20 PM

I can't believe I spent 10 minutes reading through crap I have read a million times before over the net.

04-10-2010, 05:49 PM	#42 (permalink)
ohyeahohyeah Groupie Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 1	The louder the lie, the better believed-ok! Rock and roll minus the title really started with the boogie woogie craze in the 1930s. This was epitomized by Joe Turner and Pete Johnson, among others.It also sprang out of the Kansas City Jazz scene. What exactly is blues music anyway? Most people think it is the slow mournful wailing stuff, which is only one part of it. It is simply the three chord progression which can be played at any speed. When it is played fast,it is what became rock and roll. Even Dion DiMucci ,who now has a few decent blues albums out, admitted to borrowing from Sonny Boy Williamson and others for some of his early stuff. Elvis' Sun Recordings were mostly blues songs. This thing about rock and roll being a blend of country and blues is just a lot of hype to try to give the white music world some credit that it doesn't deserve, at least in the formation phase. I don't really see the country thing too much unless you're talking about Carl Perkins other tunes or Jerry Lee Lewis' next phase after he paid his price for certain "family" issues. When Bill Haley cut Shake,Rattle and Roll it was already a hit for Joe Turner, and Bill Haley was considered at the forefront of the white emergence. As great as Chuck Berry is, who, after all, were his sidemen at Chess Records but the Chicago Blues crowd and Johnnie Johnson. When you look at the progress made by so many jazz musicians, starting with Louis Armstrong and Joe "King" Oliver and on up to the beboppers in the 40s and 50s you can't say that what was being borrowed for rock and roll was a natural progression. This is why jazz musicians, when they weren't profiting at times from the new "thing", weren't that impressed with rock and roll. Once the white community embraced rock and roll and later the white "discovery" of the blues through the British Invasion revelations, the black community didn't want to have too much to do with either, as fans. Today you have a situation where, as an earlier contributor to this thread has said, that most music forms are stagnant, most having been around for decades. Where do we go from here? Or should I say, what new trend will the African-American community come up with next?

04-10-2010, 07:20 PM	#43 (permalink)
jackhammer Ba and Be. Join Date: May 2007 Location: This Is England Posts: 17,331	I can't believe I spent 10 minutes reading through crap I have read a million times before over the net. __________________ It be my music and film collection. “A cynic by experience, a romantic by inclination and now a hero by necessity.”