Will the 00's be remembered fondly?
 

Well,we're at the end of a decade and it's time to get the retrospectives out of the way.In 15 years' time,when radio stations start to play 00's music as retro, will we be embarrassed or pleased at how well it's held up?
To be honest,I think it's been a very mixed decade.Lots of great stuff,lots of rubbish, and very little consensus on what was good and what wasn't.

What do the rest of you think?

The mainstream has been terrible aside from a couple of bands. It is the music that has been kept out of the public eye that will be remembered.

Isn't this like the 5th thread on the topic?

Anyways I agree with Alfred. If you look at it from a view of overall Good music: Bad music you would get a pretty disappointing year, just because of the amount of popular music that to me sounds like shit.

But if you think about everything good that has come out and ignore the bad stuff, it's been a pretty good decade.

I'm already embarrassed by the 00's. I don't know which was worse the 00's or the 90's.

Very little really being kept outside the public eye though.It's ridiculously easy to find out about music now.

To be honest, I think I'll be very embarassed by the radio; they'll be playing the ****ty stuff like The Jonas Brothers 15 years from now, I imagine. But I'll still be listening to my favorite albums from the past 10 years that I listen to now, and I think it'll still be just as great. As far as what will be remembered in general: I think it will be a lot different than previous decades. For example, everyone knows what got popular in the 70s, 80s, and 90s, either too the general public or music critics. But what will that music be for us? I feel that Animal Collective, MF DOOM (close enough) The Killers, maybe Eels, the Shins, The Unicorns, and the Strokes will, in my opinion, be the bands from the '00s that are huge in the way that Pavement, Guided By Voices, Built to Spill, and Yo La Tengo, and Radiohead if you want to throw them in were in the 90's. But strangely, the only band that comes to mind when I think of something that parallels these greats this decade is Animal Collective. I guess time will tell; it just seems with the internet there are a lot more different types of music coming out in massive quantities that it's not necessarily one band that makes it big. It's more a whole genre, which spawns tons of bands that make music of a similar style. I guess we'll see, you never know who could be popular in the next 15 years. Could even be Dalek.

And I don't know what you guys are smoking, the '00s rock for music in my opinion. I just don't know how much will be actually remembered in years to come, there aren't many bands from this decade consistently cranking out good music and there's so many bands everybody likes something else.

You know that, and I know that, but the people that only watch MTV2 and listen to the radio don't know that.

statements like this are made every 5 years.

I ****in loved the 90s.

Same.

Em, same. The 90's produced better songs than this decade anyways.

1998 was an especially good year. Three of my favorite albums, The Shape Of Punk To Come, Rafi's Revenge, and Let's Talk About Feelings were released that year.

I watched the best songs of the 90's on VH1 last week, and it totally reminded me how corny the 90's were. Nothing but one hit wonders and boy bands.

2000 has been so much better than the 90's.

Debatable.

And you're right, Alfred. '98 was the tits. Music Hast the Right to Children, Something About Airplanes, Is this Desire?, Mezzanine, and some album by some band called Neutral Milk something. The hipsters must have had an absolute field day in 98.

Ha. Like that gives you ANY actual frame of reference. The only Radiohead song they had on there was Creep.

Indeed! Since when does VH1 even have shows about music? Isn't it like MTV now? Pretty much reality shows until normal people are asleep and THEN they play music related stuff.

I agree with a lot music_phamtom13 said.

I think the 00's will be remembered for a lot of radio **** but also for the ways the internet has opened doors to popularizing indie bands that otherwise wouldn't have had a chance in the 90's.

I agree it is debatable depending on the genre in my experience most of my favourite songs are from the 90's :)

I've never heard anyone call the 90s corny. You're telling me Nirvana, Pavement, DJ Shadow, Guided By Voices, Built To Spill, Yo La Tengo, Neutral Milk Hotel, Apples in Stereo, MF DOOM, Radiohead (who I don't like but will include), Mice Parade, Stereolab, Beck, Cake, Sublime, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Smashing Pumpkins, Dinosaur Jr (granted it was J solo and easily their worst period), Mogwai, Tortoise, Flaming Lips, Snoop Dogg, A Tribe Called Quest, etc. were all one hit wonders and boy bands? I think you missed a lot, my friend. I'll go on if need be; the 90s and 00s are tied for my favorite decade in music I think.

EDIT: And I understand you may not like those genres, but I don't think you can write off the whole decade as one hit wonders and boy bands.

Completely agree! Damn near ALL of the artists I listen to started in the 90s

No, but more than just a few of those are horrible.

I just don't see a decade as good or bad bands, but as movements. Through out the 60s, 70s and the 80s ... you had the movements, the evolution. In the 90s and 00s, they were more of static years.

*That's in my opinion, i know there were a lot of genres, sub-genres in these 2 decades. But I just can't see the evolution as big as the 3 decades mentioned at the beginning.

Never heard of like 10 of those bands. And lol at Beck.

Yeah... I think I might be the only person on here that likes Beck. And I'm not a big fan of all of them (Smashing Pumpkins, Cake, Radiohead, and Built To Spill) but I like the rest so screw you :P I was just pointing out that calling an entire decade of music corny is ridiculous. If anything I would expect it to be the 80s, because a lot of people associate the 80s with corny hair metal and Flock of Seagulls type bands. Not at all what it was, but that's what seemed to be most popular.

the only person who likes Beck? Really?

I think we've figured out whats going on around here. You don't know the posters here.

Yeah man there are more than a few Beck fans here. Sweet_nothing has him has his avatar, come on now.

But back on topic, the 00's are ironically one of the decades I own the most music from, but one of the decades I least like. But they've still had some great stuff.

hmm i think the 90's was the start or the 00's

like the 90's had alot of variety

the 00's and Massive amount of variety and styles

bands are coming up that are influnced by many different things

that post wasn't really helpful, information-wise. :\

ehh what i was trying to say is Yes IMO the 00's where better then the 90's in terms of music

Which of these were radio hits again? I mean, lets be fair if we are going to label radio hits from the 90's. (ACTUAL radio hits, not alternative radio hits)
Backstreet Boys, Michael Bolton, Boyzone, Cher, Late Phil Collins, Celine fucking Dion, HANSON, Jewel, Madonna, RICKY FUCKING MARTIN, George Michael, Shania Twain, Paula Abdul, Aqua, Mariah Carey, Janet Jackson, Jennifer Lopez, NSYNC, Spice Girls, Bryan Adams, Aerosmith, Blink 182, Bon Jovi, Counting Crows, Def Leppard, Foo Fighters, late Genesis, Hootie & the Blowfish, Lenny Kravitz, Matchbox 20, Meat Loaf, Offspring, Tom Petty etc etc etc. All of a sudden looks like a pretty lousy decade to me.

PS - Not having a go at you, just using your post to demonstrate my point.

I mean, doesn't this happen every decade? Disco was the popular music of the 70's, and its hardly looked on favourably. Sure, there were a lot of bands that we're mainstream hits, but in the same regard its not like these bands were actually all popular in their day. 80's, embarrassing synth-pop stuff that is only listened to nowadays for laughs and glam metal. 90's, contemporary RnB that didn't deserve to be called RnB, the mainstreaming of Hip Hop/Rap, a lot of which was uninspiring, Nu-Metal (The less said the better). The 2000s have the same sort of crap with the occasional album that games mainstream popularity that eventually comes to define a decade (Sometimes for better sometimes for worse).

A lot of revisionist history comes about when it comes to music. Unless you've lived it, chances are you have no idea what it was actually like.

For what its worth, this decade has most definitely been my favourite. I personally have only been into music for maybe 2 years, yet I harbour no false ideas about what previous decades were like. They have their great bands, they have their **** bands, they have their good movements, and they have their bad ones.

Funny time for the thread to pop up though, given I planned to start a thread devoted to the 2000's this evening.

While I think Zarko's fundamental point is sound, I must disagree on some issues.... and, as I am a feeling the blackberry wine, let the analogies flow:

-a magazine for barflys that I quite like once stated the fundamental irony of dive bars; a few of them are quality places, which just happen to be located in crappy neighborhoods and patronized by the poor. Eventually, some hipsters will catch wind…. there will be a period of inundation, and then – like the tide – the bastards will leave.

Or perhaps a wine analogy?

-wine, before it has been moved from the primary to the secondary, tends to smell and taste like jet fuel. However, after getting racked a few times… it matures. It tastes less like jet fuel. It is matured. Then, it is bottled, folks let it settle to account for bottle shock if they so care…. then they move on to the next bottle.

Point being, no decade is fundamentally remembered (amongst music snobs, anyways) for what was popular during said period, but – rather – what ORIGINATED during said period. This decade, like the many that came before it, will be judged for not what styles came to maturity in this time frame, but for what original styles came forth.

I mean, take the late 70s. An era of crappy rock ‘n roll, or the cradle of punk?

The idea is to be ahead of the curve, like the hipsters seeking out an as of yet untouched dive.

I think the worst pop music is easily from the 90s, no competition. Stuff like Wigfield, E-Type and Vengaboys particularly, absolutely horrible.



To me, it's worse than any of the 80s pop by far which is saying something. Sometime into the 2000s, people had finally figured out that this was too embarassing to go on with a few exceptions like Basshunter. Popular music from this decade had an overall higher quality I think and I think watching an imaginary show like "top hits of the 90s" on VH1 would be more awful than watching a "top hits from the 00s" which would be more of a bore.

The thing about the 90s which has been pointed out is that there was a crapload of great artists who broke through, particularly early for me. Bands like Rage Against the Machine, Supergrass and Pearl Jam. I was sort of interested in the new music in the 90s, but I haven't been in the 2000s. It's probably because I've been a bit passive, but to be honest, popular music hasn't excited me much since the 90s either, all that eurodance **** aside.

I think by this decade, ideas had been used up and it's the same old coming back in some retro-shape and being polished a bit. A decade of awesome and horrible is at least more interesting than a decade of bland. For me, this has been a more bland decade. :p:

To be fair I just don't really ever see Beck mentioned on here. Except for as sweet nothing's avatar. And if you want to go in terms of radio hits, then yeah a lot of music really sucked. Though I will admit, alternative rock stations seemed a lot better in the 90s than they do today filled with the same post grunge songs playing over and over. Maybe I just don't really remember the radio back then.

And I don't know about that, I hear a lot of new music that sounds quite unique, I don't know that we'll ever run out of new ideas for music.

Really?

I think you have to think of what was new this decade and compare it to the previous decades. The 70s saw prog, hard rock, further development of jazz fusion, disco, funk, metal and punk for example. The 80s had lots more metal taking different directions (thrash, hair metal, early black metal), power ballads, hip-hop, synth pop, post punk, new wave-ish and goth bands like The Cure, Sisters of Mercy or The Smiths. The 90s had eurodance, techno, rave, boybands, RnB, further development of black metal, various kinds of alternative rock like grunge and britpop.

These are just some things off the top of my head. There's a lot you could mention, but what have the 00s given us? I'm not saying there's nothing, but comparatively less.

I was commenting more on the fact that people are saying 'I will look on the radio and cringe' type comments. Can't the same be said for any decade pretty much. Who's going to rate a decade on pop hits? Do we dismiss the 80's due to the styles, the 70s due to disco? No, we in fact hold it in higher regard due to other factors.

I don't think the ratio of good vs. bad music is any different now compared to any other decade, I think it will hold up just fine.

I guess the main things that I can think of from the noughts would be the whole psychedelic/experimental pop type thing. Unicorns, Animal Collective, and all the stuff they spawned. Also, electronic music expanded as an influence into a lot of genres more regularly than it was found in the past, I think. People expanded on post rock to extend the idea into more metal based bands (Mono, Isis, Amesoeurs) and I don't think that was done before. The boy bands of the 90's turned into the elctropop of The Postal Service, Owl City, etc. Dance music has taken a cue from bands like The Happy Mondays and combined dance with alternative indie rock stuff like Star****ers, Joakim, etc. though this isn't too popular. You also have the creation of chill loop music with a beat; Memory Tapes, Memory Cassette, Neon Indian, and the likes. Don't think anything similar was around before.

But I guess a big difference is what people do with the genres we already have. The '00s has been like a big cluster**** of different sounds in a sense, in that artists have access to the internet now. People can find a sound from the 60s that was obscure and find 10 similar bands in a minute, and then repeat with tons of genres. All these influences then play into the music that's been made, and it's grown from there. I guess it really is just that there's a huge diversity in the music being produced, and it ends up meaning that we have to sort through 100 albums to find 3 or 4 good ones. Not because music is getting worse, but because producing your own music and putting it online allows anyone, no matter how bad, to release an album. So yeah, not as many new genres. Artists just have to try harder to create something unique that stands out.

I look at things more from a hip-hop/electronic perspective. but I did grow up in the 90s and was able to see the TERRIBLE pop that came about. pop music, to me, was always cheese. especially in the 90s.

hip-hop was fresh until '96, '97. that was the turning point...although some of my fav hip hop albums came in 99. For example:

Ghostface Supreme Clientele
Black Moon - War Zone
Screwball - Y2K
Inspectah Deck - Uncontrollable Substance
Slick Rick - The Art of Storytellin
8ball & MJG - n Our Lifetime Vol. 1
Mobb Deep - Murda Muzik
Binary Star - Waterworld
GZA - Beneath The Surface
Redman - Doc's Da Name 2000 out in '99? or '98?
Pharoahe Monch - External Affairs
the Origoo Gun Clappaz album
Mos Def - Black On Both Sides
Lootpack - Soundpieces
Prince Paul - A Prince Among Thieves
Black Rob Life Story...mighta been 2000 though...
Kurupt - Tha Streetz Iz A Mutha****a
Snoop Dogg - Top Dogg
The Roots - Things Fall Apart
Dr. Dre 0 2001
the Kool Keith album
Soundbombing

lol realizing now maybe some of these are lesser known and so on. but still...99 was good.


now the 2000s was hip-hop becoming sh!tty pop music. and pop music itself stayed sh!tty. i've never heard such garbage as some of the stuff like Nelly, Chamillionaire, Soulja Boy, Chingy, St. Lunatics, G Unit, etc came out with. I have little hope for the future of hip-hop based on what's been popular in the past 10 years.

electronic music on the other hand...is where it's at. dubstep, garage, house (in all it's forms), downtempo, breaks....it's all becoming next level. new styles are coming about, new sounds that people havent heard. based on what I heard through the 2000s....2010 and beyond is unimaginable the sort of craziness that's gonna come about.

and as far as radio....you only have yourselves to blame. if you don't take advantage of the fact that college radio exists to combat mainstream radio then that's your fault. university radio not only spits, but pisses in the faces and mouth of mainstream airwaves.

one problem with the 2000s was the ease at which anyone can make music and have it heard on a mass scale....very affordable (and to be honest stealable) recording software, myspace, all those things. File downloading, pirating...all that. I was a die hard CD buyer until Napster came about lol. probably like most people

but yes...that's my rant.

The 00's will be remembered for the Garage Rock Revival (Strokes, BRMC, early KOL, early White Stripes, Vines), Post-Punk/ New Wave Revival (Interpol, Franz Ferdinand, Bloc Party, Killers etc etc), and bands such as Coldplay, who will probably be remembered as the biggest band of the decade (at least from a British perspective).

You also had the Post-Grunge movement with bands such as 3 Doors Down, Hinder, Foo Fighters (another giant of the decade) etc making an impact, whilst emo-pop was another movement that will be associated with the decade.

I'd also like to add thaty Hip-Hop has grown in stature over the last decade, weakening Rock music's grip on the mainstream conscious, there was a fusion with R'n'B that has become this bastard of a hybrid, seemingly dominating the charts.

Personally, i think there has been a huge blurring of identifiable movements, partly because of the Internet, which has enabled listeners to discover obscure bands for themselves without having preconceived classifications of magazines rammed down their throats, also, bands are now able to promote themselves to a much wider audience, so people are being exposed to a much more diverse range of music.

Yeah, the 2000's I think has been one of the best decades. Go on Pandora and type in Janis Joplin and eventually some crazy sick artist from the 2000's who takes their influence from her and does something different with it will pop-up on your screen. You could most likely do that with almost any genre; funk, soul, jazz, blues, anything.

Way I see it this isn't an issue of not having quality artists which size-up to the record books, because there are many. Maybe it's an issue of not having those quality artists being played on mainstream radio... but duh, the all mighty controllers have a market to reach and everyone older then eight is pirating their own personal mp3 collections for free. I'm surprised the mainstream music isn't spongebob's sing along.

It's a theory of mine, too, that for some reason or another this decade has less people who aren't mainstream zombies then previous decades, but I have no proof of that excluding what MTV tells me as I'm young. But hey- it's no crime to enjoy nothing else but mainstream music, it's just a choice!

Edit: Okay I got a little off track, my conclusion being I don't care how the 00's are remembered by society, I just care that I get more really rad, diverse, free music like I have been getting. Really I'm a happy camper. =)