Will the 00's be remembered fondly?

Guybrush · 11-01-2009, 03:42 PM

For the 90s, I thought eletronica like Aphex Twin or rave music like Sash was rather new and fresh expressions, just an example. Of course you can take a step back into meta land and say everything comes from something else - and talking about music, that's obviously right. It doesn't change the fact that there are varying degrees of how original an idea can be.

You know I know that music is influenced by music before it. You also do understand, I think, that I'm comparing this decade to others. That's why I said I'm not sure I agree, I understand your point but I think because we're not really in meta-land but talking about practical and real experiences with music as a changing culture, you could most definetly say that ideas are less fresh if that's your perception of it. It's a pretty grounded and relevant way to look at it.

I think ideas are generally less fresh and, as mentioned, I think I could see much of what was new in the 90s compared to earlier decades.

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Ex. there may be a link between Motorhead and Metallica, but I think it's a bigger leap than say Arcade Fire or The Raconteurs's relation to the alternative rock sounds from the 90s .. Or Donkeyboy's relation to the synth pop from the 80s.

BTown · 11-01-2009, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Darkest Hour

Never heard of like 10 of those bands. And lol at Beck.

I'd listen to Beck over three doors down any day.

Anyway, I like the 90s for the most part and the 80's for punk,
I think some people will look past all the ****ty pop-punk bands and rap tat came out this era and find some good stuff. Just like we do today with other eras although some may be better than others.
I own very little from artists that came out in the 00's,
I'm curious as to what peoples favorite bands are from this decade?

adidasss · 11-01-2009, 03:43 PM

While we're on the subject, who did the Pixies get compared to/were influenced by?

5-Track · 11-01-2009, 03:50 PM

90s vs 00s? Well, I was a teenager in the 90s so I suppose I'm biased ... but it does seem that from about 1988 to 1992 a lot of decent music made it into my backwoods pre-internet consciousness. There's still great music being made, but very little of it on an epic level and even less of it on a level that would reach a backwoods kid with no internet connection. You gots to dig for the good stuffs.

This decade will be remembered by different people for different things ... For me, it's been about playing as much music as I possibly can, finding the new sounds and influences that not enough other people are finding, and trying to identify with myself as a creator rather than a consumer whenever possible. The mass culture hasn't had a lot of impact on me lately. But I imagine the mass culture, whatever it's been up to, is what this decade will be remembered for by the ones who write the history books.

**Janszoon** · 11-01-2009, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by adidasss

I've heard as much before, but to be honest, I'm not that familiar with the Pixies' discography and the only songs that pop out are the poppy-dancey stuff, like Debaser and Here comes your man, which seem pretty far from the brooding darkness of Nirvana. But again, I is the suckage at comparing shit.

Well you're right that those are two of the Pixies' poppier songs. But Nirvana were fairly poppy too so I don't see them as very far removed from the even the poppiest of Pixies tunes.

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Originally Posted by adidasss

While we're on the subject, who did the Pixies get compared to/were influenced by?

Hmm... I'm not really sure who they get typically get compared to. I could certainly imagine Husker Du was an influence and probably Iggy Pop.

BTown · 11-01-2009, 04:10 PM

Kurt Cobain admitted to stealing the loud quite technique that is prevalent in most pixies songs.

For example, let's take a popular upbeat Nirvana song:

The verse being very mellow and quite and then once the "Yeahs" come in it is much louder and the guitar is more distorted.

Let's take a look at these popular Pixies song as well:

Although they might not sound similar what with Cobains style of singing and such, they are pretty similar.
Nirvana's In Bloom comes across as a heavy song but people tend to not realize how upbeat and pop-like it is, almost like power pop.

music_phantom13 · 11-01-2009, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by adidasss

While we're on the subject, who did the Pixies get compared to/were influenced by?

Well, I know I've heard that Francis said Husker Du, Iggy Pop (good call Janszoon), and Captain Beefheart were the main things he listened to when starting the Pixies. He's said Cars and The Beatles were big influences as well. When they were looking for a bassist, they asked for someone that listened to Husker Du and Peter, Paul, & Mary, so I guess they'd be one too. Personally, I haven't heard this anywhere, but I'd imagine The Cramps to be a big influence. They were sort of in the punk scene, used lots of horror and b-movie lyrics and themes, and played a genre of surf punk.

Obviously they were much more influenced by Rockabilly and Blues, but I still hear a lot of their sound in The Pixies.

Anteater · 11-01-2009, 11:06 PM

Well technically, Golden Earring is the most influential rock band of all time...as they've been on tour and doing albums since 1961!!

music_phantom13 · 11-01-2009, 11:26 PM

First of all, I disagree, and secondly, I don't think they were specifically an influence on The Pixies. I still hold and always will, like I posted in most influential rock artists, that Chuck Berry and Little Richard turned blues into the rock that most of the 60s and 70s artists further evolved.

GoTellTheMountain · 11-03-2009, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

Yeah, considering that they've been nominated for multiple Grammy and BRIT awards I'd say they're definitely well inside the mainstream.

Fair enough. I wasnt actually aware they had been nominated. Musically, they're pretty unique to me though.

11-01-2009, 03:42 PM	#81 (permalink)
Guybrush Juicious Maximus III Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Scabb Island Posts: 6,525	For the 90s, I thought eletronica like Aphex Twin or rave music like Sash was rather new and fresh expressions, just an example. Of course you can take a step back into meta land and say everything comes from something else - and talking about music, that's obviously right. It doesn't change the fact that there are varying degrees of how original an idea can be. You know I know that music is influenced by music before it. You also do understand, I think, that I'm comparing this decade to others. That's why I said I'm not sure I agree, I understand your point but I think because we're not really in meta-land but talking about practical and real experiences with music as a changing culture, you could most definetly say that ideas are less fresh if that's your perception of it. It's a pretty grounded and relevant way to look at it. I think ideas are generally less fresh and, as mentioned, I think I could see much of what was new in the 90s compared to earlier decades. edit : Ex. there may be a link between Motorhead and Metallica, but I think it's a bigger leap than say Arcade Fire or The Raconteurs's relation to the alternative rock sounds from the 90s .. Or Donkeyboy's relation to the synth pop from the 80s. __________________ Something Completely Different

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5-Track Music Addict Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Echo Park, Earth Posts: 197	90s vs 00s? Well, I was a teenager in the 90s so I suppose I'm biased ... but it does seem that from about 1988 to 1992 a lot of decent music made it into my backwoods pre-internet consciousness. There's still great music being made, but very little of it on an epic level and even less of it on a level that would reach a backwoods kid with no internet connection. You gots to dig for the good stuffs. This decade will be remembered by different people for different things ... For me, it's been about playing as much music as I possibly can, finding the new sounds and influences that not enough other people are finding, and trying to identify with myself as a creator rather than a consumer whenever possible. The mass culture hasn't had a lot of impact on me lately. But I imagine the mass culture, whatever it's been up to, is what this decade will be remembered for by the ones who write the history books. __________________ music for your life: http://www.5-Track.com/NeptuneResearch

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BTown super cool Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 806	Kurt Cobain admitted to stealing the loud quite technique that is prevalent in most pixies songs. For example, let's take a popular upbeat Nirvana song: The verse being very mellow and quite and then once the "Yeahs" come in it is much louder and the guitar is more distorted. Let's take a look at these popular Pixies song as well: Although they might not sound similar what with Cobains style of singing and such, they are pretty similar. Nirvana's In Bloom comes across as a heavy song but people tend to not realize how upbeat and pop-like it is, almost like power pop. __________________

11-01-2009, 11:26 PM	#89 (permalink)
music_phantom13 Music Addict Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 942	First of all, I disagree, and secondly, I don't think they were specifically an influence on The Pixies. I still hold and always will, like I posted in most influential rock artists, that Chuck Berry and Little Richard turned blues into the rock that most of the 60s and 70s artists further evolved.