Will the 00's be remembered fondly?

storymilo · 11-01-2009, 12:51 PM

It kind of makes sense that the 00's would have less originality, only because we're coming after so much other music. In the 60's if you'd made something like Joy Division, people would have thought you were original. Now if you did it they'd say that you're copying off Joy Division.

So if so much stuff has already been done, it's harder to come up with original music.

**Janszoon** · 11-01-2009, 12:56 PM

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I think I phrased that wrong. because upon rereading that I sound ridiculous; of course that's true for any decade. I'm having some difficulty finding the right words. I guess what I meant is that we have nothing that stands out as something I'll think of as uniquely a 2000 thing, whereas when I think of past decades very distinct and concrete genres come to mind. This is probably an oversight on my part, as really, it does all overlap.

I think that's just because we're still in the 00s. During the 90s I found it equally hard to imagine what about the decade would stand out.

**Janszoon** · 11-01-2009, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by storymilo

It kind of makes sense that the 00's would have less originality, only because we're coming after so much other music. In the 60's if you'd made something like Joy Division, people would have thought you were original. Now if you did it they'd say that you're copying off Joy Division.

So if so much stuff has already been done, it's harder to come up with original music.

In the 60s, if you made something like Joy Division people probably would've thought you were copying off the Doors.

People already had thousands of years of musical tradition to contend with in the 60s anyway, that's not really that different from today when you think about it.

storymilo · 11-01-2009, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

In the 60s, if you made something like Joy Division people probably would've thought you were copying off the Doors.

People already had thousands of years of musical tradition to contend with in the 60s anyway, that's not really that different from today when you think about it.

Well Joy Division was just an example. And while yes, there have been many thousands of years of music to copy off of, most modern music has originated from rock and roll that started in the 50's, so in the 60's there was so much unexplored music that would later be made in other decades. I'm just trying to say that by now, in the 00's, so many styles have been used that it's hard to think of something new

**Janszoon** · 11-01-2009, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by storymilo

Well Joy Division was just an example. And while yes, there have been many thousands of years of music to copy off of, most modern music has originated from rock and roll that started in the 50's, so in the 60's there was so much unexplored music that would later be made in other decades. I'm just trying to say that by now, in the 00's, so many styles have been used that it's hard to think of something new

I'm not sure I agree that most modern music originated from rock n roll. Also, I would actually argue that most of the music the 60s is known for was more heavily influenced by things like folk, blues and jazz, all of which are substantially older than rock n roll.

storymilo · 11-01-2009, 01:42 PM

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I'm not sure I agree that most modern music originated from rock n roll. Also, I would actually argue that most of the music the 60s is known for was more heavily influenced by things like folk, blues and jazz, all of which are substantially older than rock n roll.

Maybe you're right. But that's not really the point I'm trying to make. I'm just saying that so many styles have been explored already, particularly in the last 5 decades or so, that it's hard to come up with original music that hasn't been done before and is actually good now.

**Janszoon** · 11-01-2009, 01:57 PM

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Maybe you're right. But that's not really the point I'm trying to make. I'm just saying that so many styles have been explored already, particularly in the last 5 decades or so, that it's hard to come up with original music that hasn't been done before and is actually good now.

I get what you're saying but what I'm saying is that I don't think it's any harder or any easier to come up with good new original music than it ever has been. You're speaking as if there is some predetermined, finite number of styles available to people and we've used most of them up at this point, but I don't think that's the case because the game is always changing. Why did no one think to make breakcore in the 1950s? Because the technology to do it hadn't been invented yet. In terms of technology and the cultural landscape the deck is always being reshuffled and because of that I'd say there are nearly infinite combinations of things that can result in great new original music. That said, I think it's safe to say all music has it's antecedents, so in that sense there's never really been any thing truly new going on at a fundamental level. But that's what makes music exciting to me, the fact that it has to keep one foot in the past while applying those old ideas to new situations.

music_phantom13 · 11-01-2009, 02:02 PM

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I think you have to think of what was new this decade and compare it to the previous decades. The 70s saw prog, hard rock, further development of jazz fusion, disco, funk, metal and punk for example. The 80s had lots more metal taking different directions (thrash, hair metal, early black metal), power ballads, hip-hop, synth pop, post punk, new wave-ish and goth bands like The Cure, Sisters of Mercy or The Smiths. The 90s had eurodance, techno, rave, boybands, RnB, further development of black metal, various kinds of alternative rock like grunge and britpop.

These are just some things off the top of my head. There's a lot you could mention, but what have the 00s given us? I'm not saying there's nothing, but comparatively less.

I think this is what he's saying. Of course there's always going to be music that borrows of a previously created sound to expand into new genres, but it doesn't seem that there have been many huge new developments of genres to me in the 00s. I suppose you could say the new pop-punk/"emo" sound that developed is unique to us. Plus some other stuff I mentioned earlier. But there isn't a specific sound you would probably associate quite so much as with these genres. Though like you said, it could be much easier to see in 5 or 10 years.

storymilo · 11-01-2009, 02:18 PM

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I get what you're saying but what I'm saying is that I don't think it's any harder or any easier to come up with good new original music than it ever has been. You're speaking as if there is some predetermined, finite number of styles available to people and we've used most of them up at this point, but I don't think that's the case because the game is always changing. Why did no one think to make breakcore in the 1950s? Because the technology to do it hadn't been invented yet. In terms of technology and the cultural landscape the deck is always being reshuffled and because of that I'd say there are nearly infinite combinations of things that can result in great new original music. That said, I think it's safe to say all music has it's antecedents, so in that sense there's never really been any thing truly new going on at a fundamental level. But that's what makes music exciting to me, the fact that it has to keep one foot in the past while applying those old ideas to new situations.

I actually agree with you there. I don't think there are no styles left that people haven't tried, and no more original music can be made, I just think that it seems like so many bands today are just copying the styles of other people from before this time. Which doesn't make the music bad, just less original.

So it's not that there is no original music left to be made, it's just that many people aren't making an effort to make it

**Janszoon** · 11-01-2009, 02:20 PM

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I think this is what he's saying. Of course there's always going to be music that borrows of a previously created sound to expand into new genres, but it doesn't seem that there have been many huge new developments of genres to me in the 00s. I suppose you could say the new pop-punk/"emo" sound that developed is unique to us. Plus some other stuff I mentioned earlier. But there isn't a specific sound you would probably associate quite so much as with these genres. Though like you said, it could be much easier to see in 5 or 10 years.

I think it will most definitely be easier to see in 5 or 10 years. To me it seems like music is just as fresh and unique (and derivative and backward-looking) as it has been in previous decades.

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storymilo Music Addict Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,845	It kind of makes sense that the 00's would have less originality, only because we're coming after so much other music. In the 60's if you'd made something like Joy Division, people would have thought you were original. Now if you did it they'd say that you're copying off Joy Division. So if so much stuff has already been done, it's harder to come up with original music.