Race/gender/sex. orientation and musical stereotyping

kouki · 10-26-2009, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by davidMC1982

I think pretty much everybody can be put into one of five categories;

1) Those who listen to whatever is on the radio.

2) Those who are limited to a specific genre.

3) Those who have developed their tastes and are limited to a subset of genres and bands.

4) Those that have a diverse taste in music but have only scratched the surface of most genres.

5) Those that are musically experienced in almost every way.

If I had to apply stereotypes to the above categories, I would say:

1) Predominantly women.

2) Predominantly teenagers through to mid-twenties.

3) 40+ Dads.

4) More difficult to explain (see below).

5) Predominantly men (see below).

Category 4 will tend to be filled with people of a higher than average intellect (not necessarily academically). They will generally be more inclined to learning and accumulating knowledge about any subject that interests them. You'll probably find they have many other subjects about which they have a good deal of knowledge and experience.

Category 5 will tend to be filled by men because, time and time again, research has shown that men are more prone to hobbies of the obsessive variety. The step from category 4 to 5 is simply one of the time devoted to the subject.

Dave

Wow,right on.Im deffinetely number 4.

Zaqarbal · 05-02-2010, 02:21 AM

I like musical stereotypes. I mean, to destroy them.

It's funny. For instance, some conversations could be like these:

- Oh, Brazilian! Samba?
- No, Metal.

- Oh, Spaniard! Flamenco?
- No, Celtic rock.

- Oh, Argentine! Tango?
- No, Blues-rock.

It is true that there are too many stereotypes, but I think it's not that worrisome. In addition, if you take it with humor, the "revenge" can be very funny

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DiSTANToblivion · 05-02-2010, 08:21 AM

25 year old male from Australia that is into anything (wait when did this become a dating site?)...

Anything but not a majority of rap and rnb...

ImmortalDiotima · 09-01-2010, 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davidMC1982

I think pretty much everybody can be put into one of five categories;

1) Those who listen to whatever is on the radio.

2) Those who are limited to a specific genre.

3) Those who have developed their tastes and are limited to a subset of genres and bands.

4) Those that have a diverse taste in music but have only scratched the surface of most genres.

5) Those that are musically experienced in almost every way.

If I had to apply stereotypes to the above categories, I would say:

1) Predominantly women.

2) Predominantly teenagers through to mid-twenties.

3) 40+ Dads.

4) More difficult to explain (see below).

5) Predominantly men (see below).

Category 4 will tend to be filled with people of a higher than average intellect (not necessarily academically). They will generally be more inclined to learning and accumulating knowledge about any subject that interests them. You'll probably find they have many other subjects about which they have a good deal of knowledge and experience.

Category 5 will tend to be filled by men because, time and time again, research has shown that men are more prone to hobbies of the obsessive variety. The step from category 4 to 5 is simply one of the time devoted to the subject.

Dave

A lot of people seem to agree with this but I disagree. I think the first part of your list is good but I'm not sure about the second part. Here's my take:

1) Most people. Though it shouldn't be ignored that the radio is genre specific so these are people who listen to whatever is currently popular in the specific genre they like, be it pop, hip hop, or rock music. They do not delve or think very hard about why they listen to what they listen to.

2) This is a broad one and could include members of the first group. But if you mean people who listen to one genre only and are well versed and opinionated about that genre, I'd say its mostly older people who have decided what they like and want to listen to that. Some teenagers, though I think a lot of teenagers are in a place where they are trying to discover themselves and are more ready to search out and listen to different genres of music. This category could also include youngins like middle schoolers who either fall under category 1 and just listen to pop radio or who were like me, obsessed with one specific thing (musicals in my case). maybe I'm wrong but I feel like middle schoolers are less likely to search extensively through multiple genres of music.

3) College students or around college age folks and older who really care about music. I consider myself to be a member of this category as someone who spent her teens experimenting with every genre and finally realized that metal has always been my calling. I listen to certain bands from almost every genre that I think are especially good for that genre but mostly listen to metal and its subgenres.

4) College age folks +/- a few years who care less about their music and can't decide what they are really passionate about so they just listen to everything. This is most people I know.

5) No one. I think your reasoning is logical about men being obsessive but it is impossible to be well versed in every aspect of music. I for instance am extremely well versed in musicals (from my youth), metal, classical music and operas (being a classical voice major). I am fairly well versed in indie, pop, jazz, electronic, industrial and many other genres and consider myself to be probably more knowledgeable about a vast array of genres than most people (certainly not the people on this forum of course) but I don't think a person exists who is extremely knowledgeable about all areas of music.

So anyway:

I am a 21 year old white female from California and I am constantly met with shock when people find out that I am heavily into metal (and not MTV style metal like Lamb of God)
I had an interesting experience at a bar the other night. I was walking behind a large guy with long hair and a beard and another guy in a Lamb of God shirt was walking toward us. the long hair (as I lovingly refer to members of the metal community) got really excited and said something encouraging to the LoG guy. Now, granted, some true metal heads do like Lamb of God, but in my experience, people who are that excited about Lamb of God (ok we were at a bar and he was probably drunk and that contributed to his excitement) are mainstream metal heads who enjoy the watered down music you can find on tv and wouldn't know who varg vikernes is if you stabbed them in the forehead with a large knife. So, my point is... I'm looking at this long hair from across the room and thinking that he has no idea that if we were to have a conversation about metal, this petite little white girl in a cute little outfit would probably SCHOOL his balls off.

In fact, since long hair is the best indicator of a metal head and most girls have long hair, the only way most people can tell what I'm into is when I wear a metal shirt. And even THEN, most people think it's a fluke and that I just happen to like maybe one good metal band.

I'm not surprised though since I agree that chicks usually don't know anything about music.

So that's been my experience with stereotyping. I feel a kinship to black folks who are into metal as well because metal heads are mostly white/mexican/south american males of all ages.

whew! that was a long one

IWP · 09-01-2010, 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davidMC1982

I think pretty much everybody can be put into one of five categories;

1) Those who listen to whatever is on the radio.

2) Those who are limited to a specific genre.

3) Those who have developed their tastes and are limited to a subset of genres and bands.

4) Those that have a diverse taste in music but have only scratched the surface of most genres.

5) Those that are musically experienced in almost every way.

Dave

I'm a little bit of both 3 and 4, though I have been very open minded about music as of late so I'm probably more of a 4 nowadays. I mainly listen to metal, rock/hard rock from the 70s and 80s, 80s pop, and electronic dance, but I give other music a chance if I think it's good.

Dayvan Cowboy · 09-01-2010, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ImmortalDiotima

A lot of people seem to agree with this but I disagree. I think the first part of your list is good but I'm not sure about the second part. Here's my take:

1) Most people. Though it shouldn't be ignored that the radio is genre specific so these are people who listen to whatever is currently popular in the specific genre they like, be it pop, hip hop, or rock music. They do not delve or think very hard about why they listen to what they listen to.

2) This is a broad one and could include members of the first group. But if you mean people who listen to one genre only and are well versed and opinionated about that genre, I'd say its mostly older people who have decided what they like and want to listen to that. Some teenagers, though I think a lot of teenagers are in a place where they are trying to discover themselves and are more ready to search out and listen to different genres of music. This category could also include youngins like middle schoolers who either fall under category 1 and just listen to pop radio or who were like me, obsessed with one specific thing (musicals in my case). maybe I'm wrong but I feel like middle schoolers are less likely to search extensively through multiple genres of music.

I just came out of the seventh grade. I feel slightly prejudiced. (I failed grade 3, BTW.)

~~Sansa Stark~~ · 09-01-2010, 08:45 PM

How do you fail grade 3

Dayvan Cowboy · 09-01-2010, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Paloma

How do you fail grade 3

I did really bad in math and my parents requested that I should re-do grade 3.

Freebase Dali · 09-01-2010, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Dayvan Cowboy

I did really bad in math and my parents requested that I should re-do grade 3.

That's a pretty harsh punishment for what could have been solved with a remedial tutor, given that grade 3 isn't entirely composed of mathematics.

Dayvan Cowboy · 09-01-2010, 10:21 PM

My parents are a bit old fashioned. If I do something wrong, I take responsibility for it.

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Zaqarbal Music Addict Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Spain Posts: 824	I like musical stereotypes. I mean, to destroy them. It's funny. For instance, some conversations could be like these: - Oh, Brazilian! Samba? - No, Metal. - Oh, Spaniard! Flamenco? - No, Celtic rock. - Oh, Argentine! Tango? - No, Blues-rock. It is true that there are too many stereotypes, but I think it's not that worrisome. In addition, if you take it with humor, the "revenge" can be very funny : __________________ "Lullabies for adults / crossed by the years / carry the flower of disappointment / tattooed in their gloomy melodies." Last edited by Zaqarbal; 09-01-2010 at 08:32 PM. Reason: one broken link fixed

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