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Old 10-22-2009, 01:23 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Eh, some of the more influential underground metal bands have black members. Suffocation and Blasphemy come to mind rather readily. Further, numerous 3rd world bands have had quite the impact (Sarco***o, Pentagram (Chile), etc..)....

The third world element is what really blows my mind. It's a bit amazing that some Brazilians, in the 1980s, were developing (and playing!) a rather innovative style of metal, together with some Americans, Norwegians, and Australians :p
I'm not saying there are no black musicians who influenced metal. Phrases like "largely defined by" is not the same as "exclusively defined by". The phrase "not as much part of their musical heritage" is not the same as "not part of their musical heritage".

I'm talking about a very general trend and I know it's there and I think you know as well.
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Old 10-22-2009, 01:28 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Now, are my prejudice just that, baseless preconceptions or is there some truth to musical stereotyping? Is there a relation between your race/gender/orientation and the music you listen to? Are you the victim of any such stereotypes? Is this thread a little stupid/offensive? Thoughts?
The musical stereotypes I have are these:
--"Rap music fans are more likely to be African American rather than another ethnicity."
--"Young Caucasian males in the Midwest listen to country and metal."
--"People who live in the country and on farms like country music."
--"16-year-old girls like pop and dance music."
--"Middle-aged Caucasian men like jazz."
--"Older people in their 60s and beyond listen to mostly classical."
I did have one male gay friend in Germany who loved musicals, which is the common stereotype.

As for myself, I am not sure if I fit musical stereotypes, if there are any, about female bisexual people. In general I don't like genres and classifications and instead enjoy music that seems unusual or quirky in some way, but emotionally compelling. Perhaps my musical tastes do relate to being bisexual: a person's category doesn't determine whether I feel drawn to that person; rather, the person's singular characteristics are especially important. Similarly, a particular song's characteristics may make me like it, regardless what genre it is.

I feel my age and particular upbringing had the most impact on my musical tastes. I rarely listen to music as a leisure activity, probably because I am very goal oriented and not good at relaxing (although MusicBanter is relaxing for me!). I grew up in a "classical" household and often felt bored by much of the classical music, especially long symphonies. As a young-un I felt pop and rock music music were usually "beneath" me because they seemed too vapid and focused only on sex and love. A genre I have always disliked (following my dad's affinities) is jazz. I find rap music tedious because it often seems very antagonistic and self-preening. I generally despise trance and dance music. Country music seems too saturated with gender stereotypes and trite topics. Metal is too harsh and gives me a headache. I don't care for musicals much, either, because the themes/tunes seem so simplistic. Oh...and I don't like opera, having sat through more Wagner operas than I care to remember. However, I probably like at least one song in every genre...and I will listen to a song so I can learn what makes someone else appreciate it, even if the song isn't one that appeals to me.
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Old 10-22-2009, 03:24 PM   #13 (permalink)
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I think a lot of what music you listen to has to do with geography as well as race. I grew up mostly in New Mexico and California so I've always had a more open mind when it comes to music than a lot of the black people I know.

Surprisingly though from what I've seen at shows and hanging out with my friends (I hang out with about an equal mixture of black and white people) is that alot more white people are into rap than black people. While black people do listen to and like rap the majority of the ones I know at least prefer R&B or soul music. On that same note most black people I know aren't really into any type of rock music but for a great deal of them I think it's just the lack of exposure to that genre. I've played music for people who told me they hated rock and would never listen to it and they've actually ended up liking it.

I know a couple of *** people but I've honestly never paid attention to what they listened to so I really don't have a opinion on that.
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Old 10-22-2009, 03:25 PM   #14 (permalink)
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There are very few people I know that I actually talk to about music, because most of the stuff I listen to they haven't heard of

I also stereotype people with pretty common generalizations (black people listen to rap, white teenage girls listen to pop, etc)

But my stereotypes are almost always correct
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--"Young Caucasian males in the Midwest listen to country and metal."
I meant to comment on that too. Maybe it's just in the city but most young white males I know listen to almost exclusively hip hop and rock.
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Old 10-22-2009, 04:10 PM   #16 (permalink)
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I meant to comment on that too. Maybe it's just in the city but most young white males I know listen to almost exclusively hip hop and rock.
I Live in a small town, the country thing is true (on a whole), but i don't listen to it, my favorite genres: Folk, Electronica, Soul, Blues, and Indie

also to Vegangelica: you live in Iowa which is technically part of the mid-west
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I Live in a small town, the country thing is true (on a whole)

also to Vegangelica: you live in Iowa which is technically part of the mid-west
Oh yes, definitely Iowa is in the Midwest, which is why I formed my (incorrect) stereotype that young men in the Midwest listen to mostly country and metal! Maybe when I walk down the street I'll start asking random young men what they are listening to. We Iowans are friendly (true stereotype?), so this is something I'd probably do. Then I can report back here on my findings.

I'm glad to hear my "country music in the country" stereotype maybe has some validity!
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But, i admit i have commited stereotypes against different genres, like "rap is all crap", when only a large portion is (i've actually listened to it). )
I'd hardly say a large portion of rap is crap.

But yeah anyway... I'm not really affected too much by this stuff. Of course if there is a female vocalist involved it hits me in a different way than a male would, but that usually wears off after a while and it seems pretty much the same.
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...industrial, which I suppose is the queerest of the hard rock genres...
This isn't really relevant to anything, but industrial as a whole is not a sub-genre of rock. 'Industrial rock' is a sub-genre of Industrial.

On the subject, I think stereotyping is just that...it's mostly accurate but there are always exceptions, and it greatly depends on geographic location.

I'm from Belgium and I don't listen to eurotrash techno. Of course it might be a different story if I actually lived there at the moment.
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Old 10-22-2009, 05:16 PM   #20 (permalink)
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I tried to get as far as possible from the mainstream tastes in here, just cause they seemed a bit absurd. Ans still 99% of the population still haven't noticed, that they do act as a stereotype.

So the Lebanese teenager Stereotype (for those that don't know):
-When you're a teenager and you turn out to be an exception that doesn't listen to hip hop, R&B ,rap or electronica you directly become part of the other stereotype, the Rock lover.
-What's weird is, that all Rock lovers love those same bands: Metallica, Nirvana and Iron Maiden. And I don't know how they talk about these three bands as if they're from the same genre.
-And when these Rock Lovers grow up to become 15+ they just start loving Dream Theater.

-And then at 18+ you just don't care what's on the radio, just that it is on and on a very non-annoying volume.

I don't know about other countries' stereotypes just what I see in the movies (which is usually based only on unaccurate stereotypes). But not that I have these prejudices in real life or on music forums. Maybe cause I never get to imagine how the user looks like (I'm very bad at these things).
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