The Vinyl Collector's Thread

sidewinder · 03-23-2010, 04:57 PM

Some will argue about the sound quality thing, but I can't speak on the subject.

One advantage I can speak for though is large-format album artwork.

But for me, there are more disadvantages than there are advantages. One being that I've already spent over 10 grand on CDs so I'm not about to start over with vinyl just because it's cool.

Maybe if I strike it rich.

lucifer_sam · 03-23-2010, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Stone Birds

i have a question:
besides if you're a dj, what are the advantages of vinyls to cd's?
i know some DISadvantages
vinyls break easier
they are huge and can take up a lot space
if a cd scratches you can easily fix it, if a vinyl scratches you're screwed
cd have a much higher sound quality than vinyl

^not sure if they're all necessarily true but i've heard them, also please be aware although i buy cds more i'm acting as a neutral party

Nah. That's actually the main appeal to vinyl, being one of the few lingering analog medias out there.

Dr_Rez · 03-23-2010, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by lucifer_sam

Nah. That's actually the main appeal to vinyl, being one of the few lingering analog medias out there.

No disrespect but in 2010 I dont think that argument still applies. Digital technology is quickly surpasses all forms of analog. When comparing the best of vinyl to the best digital copies (ogg vorbis flac, even nice mp3's) there is really no contest when played through the same set of speakers. The panning, and enveloping has gotten far more sophisticated on digital technology.

A great examlpe would be the old TUBE vs SOLID STATE amp debate. Sure 30, maybe even 5 years ago tubes were the only way to go when looking for a great natural sound; but today many experienced players can hardly tell the difference in blind sound tests.

In another 5 years I imagine that Solid State/Digital Representations of sound will continue to improve while anolog equipment goes farther behind.

Sorry about any grammatical error, I just got back from work and Im tired as hell.

**Janszoon** · 03-23-2010, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Stone Birds

i have a question:
besides if you're a dj, what are the advantages of vinyls to cd's?
i know some DISadvantages
vinyls break easier

...

cd have a much higher sound quality than vinyl

I don't think either of those are true.

lucifer_sam · 03-23-2010, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by RezZ

No disrespect but in 2010 I dont think that argument still applies. Digital technology is quickly surpasses all forms of analog. When comparing the best of vinyl to the best digital copies (ogg vorbis flac, even nice mp3's) there is really no contest when played through the same set of speakers. The panning, and enveloping has gotten far more sophisticated on digital technology.

A great examlpe would be the old TUBE vs SOLID STATE amp debate. Sure 30, maybe even 5 years ago tubes were the only way to go when looking for a great natural sound; but today many experienced players can hardly tell the difference in blind sound tests.

In another 5 years I imagine that Solid State/Digital Representations of sound will continue to improve while anolog equipment goes farther behind.

Sorry about any grammatical error, I just got back from work and Im tired as hell.

I completely agree with you, I don't even think that it comes to a debate over bitrates/lossy audio formats, any decent rip above 128 kbps and I can't even distinguish the difference.

But suggesting that vinyl is poorer fidelity than a digital media like CD is baffling. Well, maybe it's true if you don't know how to take care of it. But that applies to CDs as well.

Dr_Rez · 03-24-2010, 03:13 AM

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Originally Posted by lucifer_sam

But suggesting that vinyl is poorer fidelity than a digital media like CD is baffling. Well, maybe it's true if you don't know how to take care of it. But that applies to CDs as well.

Wurrrrrdddd. Nothing like a good old Jethro Tull Vinyl.

Stone Birds · 03-24-2010, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

I don't think either of those are true.

well i said i wasn't sure, those are just some i've heard
the sound quality one is though, i actually looked it up, they burn the final mastered files directly into the cd, they are top quality audio files, a vinyl however is limited to the quality it can maintain because it physically has to store the music also if my researched explanation doesn't help lucifer sam will answer to you, the breaking easier thing i'm not sure about either, someone should clarify that

tgpo · 03-24-2010, 07:55 AM

Vinyl feels more real to me. I can burn CDs from my couch, I can't make a Vinyl record. It feels like it has weight to it, it has meaning, while CDs feel disposable to me.

Granted, that's a purely personal reason.

Plus, as I stated in in another thread, Vinyl forces me to listen. My ADD kicks in quickly if I have a computer with 10,000 tracks, or a CD with 25 tracks. I find myself switching songs every 30 seconds. I have no remote for my turn table, I can't click next with a mouse on my turn table. Unless I get up and switch songs, it plays from beginning to end. And that ability to force me to listen to it is worth the time it takes to find, purchase, clean, and play a record for me. It's gotten me back into actively listening to my music instead of treating it like background filler.

**Janszoon** · 03-24-2010, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Stone Birds

well i said i wasn't sure, those are just some i've heard
the sound quality one is though, i actually looked it up, they burn the final mastered files directly into the cd, they are top quality audio files, a vinyl however is limited to the quality it can maintain because it physically has to store the music also if my researched explanation doesn't help lucifer sam will answer to you,

As far as I can tell lucifer sam agrees with me. I'm no technical expert but my understanding has always been that CDs have a more limited tonal range than vinyl.

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Originally Posted by Stone Birds

the breaking easier thing i'm not sure about either, someone should clarify that

Okay, I'll clarify it: they don't break easier. I would say it's just about as easy to damage a CD as it is to damage a record.

Stone Birds · 03-28-2010, 08:19 PM

but a cd is easier to fix, i actually have like this $5 dvd (works on cds) scratch fixing kit and it fixes it pretty much instantly, also tonal quality come more from the speakers

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tgpo Music Addict Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 207	Vinyl feels more real to me. I can burn CDs from my couch, I can't make a Vinyl record. It feels like it has weight to it, it has meaning, while CDs feel disposable to me. Granted, that's a purely personal reason. Plus, as I stated in in another thread, Vinyl forces me to listen. My ADD kicks in quickly if I have a computer with 10,000 tracks, or a CD with 25 tracks. I find myself switching songs every 30 seconds. I have no remote for my turn table, I can't click next with a mouse on my turn table. Unless I get up and switch songs, it plays from beginning to end. And that ability to force me to listen to it is worth the time it takes to find, purchase, clean, and play a record for me. It's gotten me back into actively listening to my music instead of treating it like background filler. __________________ tgpo.org \| Last.fm

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