"Indie"

simplephysics · 06-03-2009, 06:38 PM

Yes, lets blame the modern indie scene because you can't find anything worth listening to.

dac · 06-03-2009, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by dreadnaught

yes, lets blame the modern indie scene because you can't find anything worth listening to.

qft.

popsounds · 06-03-2009, 06:41 PM

I'm hoping you didn't read my last post... there is not a shortage of great music out there today, I repeat NOT. Read my last post, please.

dac · 06-03-2009, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by popsounds

I'm hoping you didn't read my last post... there is not a shortage of great music out there today, I repeat NOT. Read my last post, please.

Yes, yes, yes. There is no balance between light and dark. There is a disturbance in the force blah blah blah.

popsounds · 06-03-2009, 06:47 PM

Yes. Do you have a problem with balance? Would it harm you if there was a larger variety of music?

Edit: And by the way, this is not light v. dark, not emotion-wise at all. I was not referring to the typical subject matter of each musical genre, just the music itself.

dac · 06-03-2009, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by popsounds

Yes. Do you have a problem with balance? Would it harm you if there was a larger variety of music?

That's not what you were talking about.

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Originally Posted by popsounds

Edit: And by the way, this is not light v. dark, not emotion-wise at all. I was not referring to the typical subject matter of each musical genre, just the music itself.

I know.

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Originally Posted by popsounds

A) seeing good people live, so that as it stands now I have little chance of seeing a great band that doesn't fit into certain genre lines live, but that's not too big a problem since there are some great bands, just not a large variety genre-wise

There are a ton of bands in a huge variety of genres. I have no idea what you're talking about. What do you mean "I have little chance of seeing a great band that doesn't fit into certain genre lines live?" That makes no sense.

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B) just sort of my thoughts about rock'n'roll community - that there should be a scene in every city, that there should be a large variety of music across the world geographically so that when the limits of a genre do run out - it's going to come eventually - it will be easier for music to progress so that there won't be sort of a lag period.. there've been small ones throughout history, in my opinion - 73-74, 83-84, 02-03 maybe... of course the "lag" is completely subjective, but hopefully you understand the concept rather than the specifics, something which a few earlier posters have had a hard time doing.

Great albums and bands come out every year. By chance, some years will be better than others. Oh well, nothing you can do about it. And you want a different "scene" (I'm interpreting this to mean genre, almost) in every city? Good luck with that lol.

sidewinder · 06-03-2009, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by dac

What do you mean "I have little chance of seeing a great band that doesn't fit into certain genre lines live?" That makes no sense.

I think he means that every band out there fits into a certain genre. And he wishes he could see some bands live that don't fit into a certain genre. Something that will blow his mind. Make him say woah. Not that I understand the quest for this. The quest for woah, sure. But the quest for something unclassifiable. Nearly every time I make a new discovery I have a hard time saying whether it's this genre or that genre, because it crosses the line from one to another, blurring the line. Sure it may combine elements of various genres, so it's not truly original. But I think that's how new genres are born, probably since way back when. Maybe it was transparent then, you didn't hear about a lot of bands in the underground. Now there are a gazillion bands out there and the transition might seem smoother, less abrupt...you can't tell you're being wowed because it's happening bit by bit over time. I can see how this could be frustrating, I suppose. You want to be smacked, not rubbed gently.

sidewinder · 06-03-2009, 06:48 PM

I don't think your mentioning Animal Collective is the reason for the backlash, don't worry.

Music can't progress as fast as it once did. It's all been done before. If it's something new, it takes a while for people to get used to it. But it's out there. Somewhere, and I don't really care at this point. I'm content with the music I am finding and listening to, new and old. It spans many genres and there is more to discover.

popsounds · 06-03-2009, 06:56 PM

Ah, thank you, a coherent response from someone who understands what I'm saying. I would pretty much agree with you, and like I said, there is no shortage of great music, so I'm happy discovering new music every day - but I guess this has to do with two things - A) seeing good people live, so that as it stands now I have little chance of seeing a great band that doesn't fit into certain genre lines live, but that's not too big a problem since there are some great bands, just not a large variety genre-wise, and B) just sort of my thoughts about rock'n'roll community - that there should be a scene in every city, that there should be a large variety of music across the world geographically so that when the limits of a genre do run out - it's going to come eventually - it will be easier for music to progress so that there won't be sort of a lag period.. there've been small ones throughout history, in my opinion - 73-74, 83-84, 02-03 maybe... of course the "lag" is completely subjective, but hopefully you understand the concept rather than the specifics, something which a few earlier posters have had a hard time doing.

sidewinder · 06-03-2009, 07:00 PM

I think part of the lag is from the majors latching onto and exploiting the genres that they see becoming popular. They suck every penny out of those genres (grunge, emo, for instance) as possible until everybody in their right mind is ready to blow up the whole damn world they are so sick of hearing it. So this feeds all those millions of minions out there that can't find music on their own (the radio and MTV listeners), who in turn feed the labels by buying and loving it, enabling them to continue pumping out this bullsh1t stale stagnant stuff...and the cycle continues. They just bleed it dry rather than looking for new and creative stuff to market. They wait for the next big thing and grab onto it when it's nearly dead in the indie scene, pushing it to the mainstream for years to come.

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sidewinder Engorged Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 5,536	I don't think your mentioning Animal Collective is the reason for the backlash, don't worry. Music can't progress as fast as it once did. It's all been done before. If it's something new, it takes a while for people to get used to it. But it's out there. Somewhere, and I don't really care at this point. I'm content with the music I am finding and listening to, new and old. It spans many genres and there is more to discover. __________________ last.fm \| my collection on RYM \| vinyl instagram @allthatyouseeandhear I'd love to see your signature/links too, but the huge and obnoxious ones have caused me to block all signatures.

06-03-2009, 07:00 PM	#10 (permalink)
sidewinder Engorged Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 5,536	I think part of the lag is from the majors latching onto and exploiting the genres that they see becoming popular. They suck every penny out of those genres (grunge, emo, for instance) as possible until everybody in their right mind is ready to blow up the whole damn world they are so sick of hearing it. So this feeds all those millions of minions out there that can't find music on their own (the radio and MTV listeners), who in turn feed the labels by buying and loving it, enabling them to continue pumping out this bullsh1t stale stagnant stuff...and the cycle continues. They just bleed it dry rather than looking for new and creative stuff to market. They wait for the next big thing and grab onto it when it's nearly dead in the indie scene, pushing it to the mainstream for years to come. __________________ last.fm \| my collection on RYM \| vinyl instagram @allthatyouseeandhear I'd love to see your signature/links too, but the huge and obnoxious ones have caused me to block all signatures.

06-03-2009, 06:41 PM	#3 (permalink)
popsounds Groupie Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 13	I'm hoping you didn't read my last post... there is not a shortage of great music out there today, I repeat NOT. Read my last post, please.

06-03-2009, 06:47 PM	#5 (permalink)
popsounds Groupie Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 13	Yes. Do you have a problem with balance? Would it harm you if there was a larger variety of music? Edit: And by the way, this is not light v. dark, not emotion-wise at all. I was not referring to the typical subject matter of each musical genre, just the music itself.

06-03-2009, 06:56 PM	#9 (permalink)
popsounds Groupie Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 13	Ah, thank you, a coherent response from someone who understands what I'm saying. I would pretty much agree with you, and like I said, there is no shortage of great music, so I'm happy discovering new music every day - but I guess this has to do with two things - A) seeing good people live, so that as it stands now I have little chance of seeing a great band that doesn't fit into certain genre lines live, but that's not too big a problem since there are some great bands, just not a large variety genre-wise, and B) just sort of my thoughts about rock'n'roll community - that there should be a scene in every city, that there should be a large variety of music across the world geographically so that when the limits of a genre do run out - it's going to come eventually - it will be easier for music to progress so that there won't be sort of a lag period.. there've been small ones throughout history, in my opinion - 73-74, 83-84, 02-03 maybe... of course the "lag" is completely subjective, but hopefully you understand the concept rather than the specifics, something which a few earlier posters have had a hard time doing.