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Old 08-27-2016, 02:13 PM   #811 (permalink)
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Hired studio musicians are not so much artists as they are professionals in a craft
Working a craft can go hand in hand with art.
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Old 08-27-2016, 02:16 PM   #812 (permalink)
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Wut

How you got this from my posts I can not possibly imagine

I'm almost literally making the opposite point
You're saying music can't be considered art if money is involved. Oh wait...****. I made the wrong point.
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Old 08-27-2016, 02:18 PM   #813 (permalink)
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Wut

How you got this from my posts I can not possibly imagine

I'm almost literally making the opposite point
I make jewelry for a living. I do it purely to make money to sell the product. Guess what, I'm still an artist.
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Old 08-27-2016, 02:20 PM   #814 (permalink)
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I make jewelry for a living. I do it purely to make money to sell the product. Guess what, I'm still an artist.
Same for me though instead of jewelry, I write articles. I still cosnider it an art.
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Old 08-27-2016, 02:22 PM   #815 (permalink)
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Lots of people making "part of their living" on bandcamp album sales

That's kind of not the point though

professional is a synonym for boring when it comes to music

Do you want music as an art or as a trade like plumbing
Listen to Darkthrone. They don't tour and have real jobs. I kinda joke, but I firmly believe that the whole "make album, tour, go home for five minutes, make album, tour, rinse and repeat" thing is kind of like cancer to a lot of bands, especially the underground ones.

How you gonna maintain artistic credibility and truly step outside your comfort zone, or quit when your ideas dry up, when your music is the only thing between you and a McDonald's job cause you've been doing the music thing on a regular enough basis that you never developed any marketable job skills? You can't. I think once you're still in a "professional" band by your late-20s you've kind of backed yourself into a financial corner where you have no choice but to just release albums over and over again, regardless of quality, lest you be forced to live in the real world.

If you're the Rolling Stones you can kind of afford to do whatever you want, since you've already made so much money and continue to make more off of royalties that you aren't beholden to the music system. But if you're a band with moderate success that won't translate into a retirement plan then your financial options are limited to the point of forcing you into becoming a shell of your former self.
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Same for me though instead of jewelry, I write articles. I still cosnider it an art.
Funny. Not saying I disagree, but I've never really thought of writing an article as a form of art. Interesting.
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Funny. Not saying I disagree, but I've never really thought of writing an article as a form of art. Interesting.
Writing is an art. Writing music is an art. Writing articles is as well. It's within the same vein as paintings and the like.
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Old 08-27-2016, 02:25 PM   #818 (permalink)
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Funny. Not saying I disagree, but I've never really thought of writing an article as a form of art. Interesting.
Writing = not an art
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Old 08-27-2016, 02:25 PM   #819 (permalink)
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Only by the strictest of definitions

A plumber is an artist too sure

I feel like this is semantics and purposefully missing the point
It's not semantics. You literally originally stated that they are synonyms. But that doesn't mean it ceases to be an art.
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Old 08-27-2016, 02:26 PM   #820 (permalink)
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Writing is an art. Writing music is an art. Writing articles is as well. It's within the same vein as paintings and the like.
I can can agree.
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