Zaqarbal

Wait! There's been too much confusion and misunderstandings in some posts before, but I want to clarify that point. Let's distinguish between acceptable and accepted, OK? And let's distinguish between describing a common social view and expressing a moral opinion about that view, OK? They are different things. I know that some people do find fat people attractive, but that's not a popular ideal. I'm just describing a fact, whether we like it or not. I'm not making a "moral judgement", OK? And if you look at this post, you'll see that the two last points are very clear on this matter:

You see?

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thirtiesgirl

Zaq, you can argue your point all you want, but you're not going to convince me. There's no difference between "accepted" and "acceptable." The point that you seem to be making by posting 'comparison' pics of Beth Ditto and Francoise Hardy is that Beth is "socially unacceptable" by general standards. If you argue in support of the general standard that "fat people are socially unacceptable," you're supporting that point of view. You can't split hairs with me and pretend that you're not.

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Zaqarbal

Look, I'm tired of this discussion. And it's not the first time I argue with people like you (on many topics, from politics or religion to cinema or music), which continually plays the "strategic ambiguity" because they don't find any other way to "win a debate". And according to my "dialectic" experience, it's not worth the trouble to continue. In fact, it'd be counter-productive. So think whatever you want. As Clark Gable said to a 30's girl in the famous movie: "Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn".

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Apart from that: Does anyone know the former band A-Teens? I'm not a big fan of that style (the so-called Europop), but the group's singers were gorgeous! Especially if we compare them to.... say... Beth Ditto... for example. I loved Marie Serneholt!


And Vengaboys, from the Netherlands? SK, man, how fortunate you are! You were f***ing right when you said that the Dutch girls are great! What beauties you have there! I loved when Kim Sasabone sang ♫ "Boom boom boom, I want you in my room..." ♫ Yeahh! I couldn't sing the same to Beth Ditto (there isn't enough space in it for her!!).


And Princessa? Wow! Mediterranean beauty at its best! She's no longer active, but I remember I had a big crush on her when I was younger. Although, as I said, this is not one of my favourite music genres. Lately I've been thinking about how fortunate I was for having known such hot female musicians. I mean, instead of Beth Ditto (just to put an example).

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s_k

She's not completely caucasion so I guess she's not all that dutch.
She's not ugly, but entirely not my type. Slutty all the way. And she doesn't look that smart.

Eitherway, I'm very ashamed that crap like Vengaboys and Aqua comes from here. No matter what their singer looks like.


The discussion above is at total waste of Energy.
I can't say I like the way Beth Ditto looks. Haven't got a clue who she is by the way.
But why start a topic about taste when you criticize eachother's taste?
Tastes differ. You don't have to agree.
And I think Thirtiesgirl likes Beth for her don't give a **** attitude in the first place and not because she's a beautiful woman. She's not even trying to be, I guess.

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thirtiesgirl

Um... slutty?? You know nothing about Beth's sexual history and have no cause to judge. Quit slut shaming women.

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The Fascinating Turnip

Learn how to read properly, stop searching for excuses to defend yourself.

thirtiesgirl

Huh? s_k wrote that Beth is slutty in his post. Why the judgment? He knows nothing of her sexual history.

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