thirtiesgirl

I'm sure she's considered "clinically obsese" on the BMI scale, but most of us are well aware that the BMI has been proven to be complete bunk. Being considered clinically obese on the BMI scale says nothing about one's mobility or health, nor does it say anything about one's attractiveness. Your assumptions that she couldn't "do 2 minutes on a Stairmaster" or "run from a rabid dog" are based on her appearance alone, and no actual knowledge of her mobility. If you've ever seen the Gossip live, as I have, many times, Beth is very mobile on stage.

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Paedantic Basterd

I'd welcome you to share a video of her placing top 10 in a marathon, and while I admit that her weight may be the only physical "complication" (for lack of a better word, since you don't seem to accept obesity as being related to health) she experiences, the scientific evidence is that overweight and obese people are prone to health risks as a direct result of their weight.

None of what I am arguing is about her attractiveness; I definitely think a curvy-to-overweight woman is entirely capable of being gorgeous, I just don't think it's accurate of you to paint her as the picture of health given what we do know about obesity and its health risks. Truth be told, we're both making assumptions about her health, the difference being that yours seem to be based on wishful thinking, whilst mine are based on what we know of health and the complications of obesity.

thirtiesgirl

As are an equal amount of people who maintain the standard thin body image. And why does a fat person need to prove their mobility to you by running a marathon? Is the ability to run a marathon the only predictor of a person's health and mobility? Hardly.

I'm not "painting her as the picture of health," as you say, or assuming that's she's healthy. What I've said is that you can't make assumptions about a fat person's health simply based on their appearance. I don't know any more about Beth's health than you do, which is why I've said nothing on the subject other than we can't make any assumptions about it. I don't judge anyone's health or anyone's appearance, as the two are very often not related.

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Paedantic Basterd

Completely true. In fact, I made that comment on the last page as well. I don't disagree.



I think there's an extent to which you have a reasonable point, but that it's not unfair and absurd to (generally) consider it an indicator of health, the exact same way that jaundice, or being underweight, or having a massive headwound can indicate an illness or injury. My point isn't that she's going to suffer a pulmonary embolism any second, it's simply that yes, she could be healthier. She's not AS healthy AS she CAN be, even if it's not causing her a great deal of trouble. I'm definitely not saying she can't live a normal life or be attractive to anybody.

Paedantic Basterd

Well, since you refuse to acknowledge weight as relating to health and the body whatsoever, it's entirely pointless of me to continue trying to reach a point of mutual agreement with you.

Paedantic Basterd

Now, to be entirely fair to everyone and return to topic, I think there are some flattering photos of Beth Ditto available, but they tend to be where she looks more like a normal human being than the character of her stage presence.

Goblin Tears

Why is thritiesgirl being forced to defend her choices in who she finds attractive? Other members have said here ''I find her unattractive, and that's MY opinion''. Well someone has the opinion that she is attractive, and they are entitled to this also. She can post here, she shouldn't be rudely linked to other threads. Now LEAVE her alone.

The Fascinating Turnip

What I saw was Zaqarbal directing thirtiesgirl to a number of threads in which several "types" - if you will - of beauty are discussed and getting attacked for compartmentalising women.
I thought her attitude was arrogant, defensive and unnecessary, and from that point on I don't really care if she's right or not, if she's treated badly or not.

Goblin Tears

Well he WAS compartmentalising women...she has every right to get defensive when people are basically telling her to take her idea of beauty elsewhere in a thread that is entirely subjective.

thirtiesgirl

Thanks for your support. When I first posted in this thread, my point in posting a variety of women with a variety of body shapes was to indicate that there's no need to compartmentalize beauty or what one finds attractive. I also made that point in writing to Zaq. You guys do it to the extreme and it has caused nothing but harm and damage to women who try to maintain that ideal. I think it's very important to try to create a social environment where people of every body size, shape, gender, ethnicity, sexual orientation and age can feel accepted, loved, understood and safe. Where they don't need to try and maintain impossible standards of beauty and cause harm to their bodies simply because that's the dominant standard. Please explain to me how that's "arrogant, defensive and unnecessary" and why I'm deserving of bad treatment.

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