Zaqarbal

OK. Anyway, there are these threads too:

http://www.musicbanter.com/general-m...-vocalist.html
http://www.musicbanter.com/general-m...ad-singer.html

Apart from that, and considering the difference between "beautiful" and "sexy":

http://www.musicbanter.com/general-m...le-artist.html

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thirtiesgirl

I don't make distinctions between what I find beautiful and sexy. That's usually a male thing. You guys do seem to like to categorize and compartmentalize women (the whole "hott or not" thing...). In addition, the women I posted pics of are women who I think are very attractive, not only great musicians and songwriters. Which is why I posted their pictures in this thread. Because this is a thread, is it not, about women musicians who we think are beautiful?

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Zaqarbal

Wait, what's wrong with that? Categorizing and compartmentalizing (whatever or whoever) is a natural tendency in human beings. And it is useful. For instance, it allows us to distinguish between mainstream and alternative beauty models. Whether we like the mayority criterion or not.

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thirtiesgirl

How is it useful? I'd be interested to hear your explanation. If you mean, however, that it's useful in helping us identify someone as socially acceptable or not, your point is lost on me.

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Zaqarbal

It is useful for knowing, in an accurate way, our thoughts, views, likes, dislikes and ethic and aesthetic attitudes. For instance, Nastassja Kinski in Tess is (extremely) beautiful. Nastassja Kinski in Cat People is hot (as Hell). Same actress, two different views.

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thirtiesgirl

I don't know that you can really speak for all the men and women on this site. That's rather assumptive of you, but I'm beginning to form the opinion that being assumptive is your particular m.o. Again, I don't really differentiate between "beautiful" and "hot." I look at attributes in people that I find attractive, which usually include their spirit, passion, personality, world view, talent, creativity and personal style, and are not limited to their physical appearance.

I'll give you an analogy. What I sense you're saying here is that the only kind of pizza that's any good is made with pizza sauce, cheese and pepperoni. If it comes delivered in a cardboard box, it's great. If it comes delivered in a cardboard box and a thermal bag, it's great and hot. Never mind that there are many other ways to make a pizza, you're going to stick with your assessment that pepperoni pizza is best. Wouldn't you say that's kind of limiting? You're limiting your experience of...oh, say, margherita pizza, Thai chicken pizza, roasted vegetable pizza, dessert pizza...simply because pepperoni is best. You're so focused on the pepperoni and what kind of box it comes in that you're missing out on a lot of other wonderful things.

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Zaqarbal

Exactly. In a word: COMPLEXITY. And understanding the complexity requires ability to distinguish nuances, differences, variations, diversity, changes, tones, etc.

That's why when you watch Tess, if you're a sensitive person, you appreciate the delicate beauty, tenderness, feelings and deep emotions of Nastassja Kinski's character, as a performance from a wonderful actress. Someone who says he watched Tess just because Kinski is "hot", is nothing but a brute and insensitive person, unable to appreciate art and beauty.

And there are many ways of understanding beauty, like:

• Physical beauty
• The beauty of a voice
• The beauty of a personality
• The beauty of an emotion
• The beauty of an artistic creation
• The beauty of an artist's performance
• Beauty according to oneself
• Beauty according to others
• Etc....

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It's off the point but Cat People is a dreadful film, imo.

thirtiesgirl

I agree that comparisons are necessary when discussing movies, music, books, art, etc. But the focus of the discussion we're having in this thread is on physical appearance, not art. Based on the pics you've posted here, it seems your scope of what's physically attractive is rather narrow. I see no complexity or differences in the pics you've posted in your attempts to distinguish between who's "hot" or "not."

Tess is a good film, not a great one, imo, and Kinski's performance is ok, but again, not great. Compare her acting in Tess to Streep's performance in Sophie's Choice, and I think you'll see the difference. Having watched the movie several times in my life, I find it tiring. Then again, perhaps my perspective is tainted by the fact that I've met Kinski and know too many intimate details about her personality and her life.

I don't disagree with you. But I've yet to see you post a pic here of a woman whose emotions you admire.

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thirtiesgirl

Agreed.

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