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TumorAttitude 04-26-2009 07:53 PM

Plagiarism
 
I don't know if I'm the first one who noticed this, but I figure its worth mentioning. Here is the single "Cut Your Hair" by the Pavement.
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YouTube - U-MV170 - Pavement - Cut Your Hair

Wikipedia says it was release February 2, 1994 and recorded August-September 1993.

Here is Weezer's "Buddy Holly"

YouTube - Weezer - Buddy Holly

(Freakers disabled embedding other format)

Wiki says it was recorded August-September 1993 and released May 10, 1994


IS IT JUST ME?

Piss Me Off 04-27-2009 07:19 AM

Other than the fact they both go 'oooo' there's not much to go on there.

coryallen2 04-27-2009 07:22 AM

Do you even know what plagiarism means?

boo boo 04-27-2009 07:55 AM

This has to be the greatest misuse of the word plagiarism since that one guy called Amnesiac a ripoff of The Division Bell.

coryallen2 04-27-2009 07:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boo boo (Post 647334)
This has to be the greatest misuse of the word plagiarism since that one guy called Amnesiac a ripoff of The Division Bell.



HAHA!!!!


Plagiarism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

TumorAttitude 04-27-2009 01:26 PM

They sound exactly the freaking same.......Rivers....ripped off..........PAVEMENT....ggaaahhh.......

midnight rain 04-27-2009 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by coryallen2 (Post 647320)
Do you even know what plagiarism means?

Anyone else find this incredibly ironic?

jackhammer 04-27-2009 01:34 PM

This is plagarism:

1989


1991


The Excel album is good too!

Freebase Dali 04-27-2009 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zzz (Post 647487)
Anyone else find this incredibly ironic?

*raises hand*

The Unfan 04-27-2009 01:55 PM



boo boo 04-27-2009 02:00 PM

Dang that is really close.

But you guys need to remember that we're talking about a form of music that's often limited to a select few 12 barre chords, the pentatonic scale and certain time signatures. Take that and throw in 60 years of rock music history and millions of rock bands in existance, each with their own discographies. Yeah, I think the odds are in that a lot of bands can just copy each other on accident. I swear some people are so ridiculous to cry "plagiarism" over singers who have naturally similar sounding voices, or guitarists with similar styles. It f*cking happens. It doesn't mean they directly copied anyone, when you have so many musicians throughout a certain period of time playing a certain kind of music with certain limitations, it just happens, it's not plagiarism, it just means that kind of music is very generic.

The Weezer/Pavement comparison thing is just ridiculous and I can't believe (well actually I can) that this comes up often on the internet. This is a prime example of trying to discredit a mainstream band by saying they ripped off some less popular band, and this is more ridiculous because these bands sound nothing alike.

Seriously. How further are we gonna take this? It's like you could just make up these lame accusations on the spot. I'll prove it.

The White Stripes are an exact ripoff of Ram Jam. Spread the word.

TumorAttitude 04-27-2009 02:05 PM

Pavement? Obscure?

boo boo 04-27-2009 02:07 PM

Well by comparison to Weezer. It's a dumb comparison either way.

I know that Malkmus has said it himself that he considers Weezer to be a ripoff of Pavement. But then again this is a man who has built a great reputation for saying incredibly obnoxious and stupid statements about artists more talented than he is.... Which btw, is a hell of a lot of people.

TumorAttitude 04-27-2009 02:14 PM

I swear the verse in Cut Your Hair is exactly the same as the chorous in Buddy Holly...

someonecompletelyrandom 04-28-2009 03:52 PM

If anything, the video for Buddy Holly is a bit close to the video for In Bloom.. but I'm not being a whiney monkeyfighter!

boo boo 04-29-2009 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sonace (Post 648342)
If anything, the video for Buddy Holly is a bit close to the video for In Bloom.. but I'm not being a whiney monkeyfighter!

Oh god don't tell me this is a new meme.

someonecompletelyrandom 04-30-2009 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boo boo (Post 649202)
Oh god don't tell me this is a new meme.

Just seeing if anyone else caught Snakes on a Plane on the FX channel the other day :rofl:

WWWP 04-30-2009 03:03 PM

1984


1992(?)

someonecompletelyrandom 04-30-2009 03:42 PM

^ Yes we all know about that. I still think Come as you Are blows away 80's.
The tunes are distincitive, they are definetely not identical. Everything with the exception of the guitar line sound totally different, and I wouldn't even say the guitar line is exactly the same.
Besides that this "plagiarism" happens all the time, there are so many tunes out there that I think this thread is moot.

And the song was released in 1991.

boo boo 04-30-2009 03:59 PM

I just can't get into Killing Joke, it's the vocals.

Bulldog 04-30-2009 04:15 PM

This isn't so blatant (it's probably more a case of vaguely similar-sounding songs than plagiarism), but it's the only one I could think of. If you listen closely you can hear that the same melody during the verses is sped up in the latter song;



The Unfan 04-30-2009 05:01 PM


Is a total rip off of...

boo boo 04-30-2009 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bulldog (Post 649873)
This isn't so blatant (it's probably more a case of vaguely similar-sounding songs than plagiarism), but it's the only one I could think of. If you listen closely you can hear that the same melody during the verses is sped up in the latter song;



I don't really hear it, even if I did, Watch That Man is awesome and I'd take it over Brown Sugar anyday.

someonecompletelyrandom 04-30-2009 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Unfan (Post 649909)

Is a total rip off of...

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

Bulldog 05-01-2009 07:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boo boo (Post 649913)
I don't really hear it, even if I did, Watch That Man is awesome and I'd take it over Brown Sugar anyday.

A lot of people I've told about this before say that too. It's probably just me going mad or something. Don't get me wrong, I'm not discrediting Bowie or anything - Watch That Man's still a great song. It's just that to these ears there is a slight melodic similarity with Brown Sugar.

Happy birthday btw :)

All_Tomorrows_Parties 05-01-2009 11:14 PM

Buddy Holly doesn't sound close to Cut Your Hair to me.

dac 05-01-2009 11:24 PM

Can't believe no one's posted this yet...



Or this...


The Unfan 05-02-2009 08:48 AM

I'm too lazy to dig up videos right now but Warning by Green Day is totally a rip off of Picture Book by The Kinks.

boo boo 05-02-2009 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dac (Post 650886)
Can't believe no one's posted this yet...


I still think this comparison is dumb and lazy.

Wow, they're both chromatic descending basslines. That's certainly not something that thousands of folk and rock musicians use all the time... Oh wait, it totally is.

Generic chord progressions have very good odds of sounding like other generic chord progressions.

Case in point.


^ Predates Stairway by a year. Hell even the vocal melody sounds similar.


^ This actually sounds more like Taurus than Stairway does.

bigotacon 05-02-2009 01:12 PM

MIA a Theaf of The Clash
 
I say YES. I listened to there song Paper Airplane while I was driving in my car and I couldn't help but realize that it seems to close to comfort with the song "Straight to Hell" by The Clash. Well anyways this is what I think let me know if you think I'm right or wrong.

coryallen2 05-02-2009 02:21 PM

How do you guys know there was'nt any consent? I mean people could have been contacted and permission could have been made.

someonecompletelyrandom 05-02-2009 11:09 PM

I'm sick of this thread and want it to diiiiiiiieeeeee.

Freebase Dali 05-02-2009 11:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sonace (Post 651450)
I'm sick of this thread and want it to diiiiiiiieeeeee.

You're a long way off from assisting its death by posting in it.

someonecompletelyrandom 05-02-2009 11:23 PM

I know, I was speaking ironically.

(my secret excuse for everything)

Freebase Dali 05-03-2009 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sonace (Post 651457)
I know, I was speaking ironically.

(my secret excuse for everything)

Haha. :thumb:
"Sorry for running over your dog, but the irony was killing me."

sleepy jack 05-03-2009 10:40 PM

Coryallen doesn't need another introduction thread guys.

Husky McDump 05-03-2009 11:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Piss Me Off (Post 647318)
Other than the fact they both go 'oooo' there's not much to go on there.

:clap:

sweet_nothing 05-03-2009 11:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sleepy jack (Post 652023)
Coryallen doesn't need another introduction thread guys.

I lol'd.

Freebase Dali 05-04-2009 12:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sleepy jack (Post 652023)
Coryallen doesn't need another introduction thread guys.

Effin' ZING!

ZaborgZaloog 05-04-2009 07:58 AM

Nightmare by Crooked X. When I first played that riff on Rock Band it sounded like a blatant rip-off of Iron Maiden. I'll post vids later.


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