Do you care if an artist is a d*ck? (albums, quote)

Antonio · 05-01-2009, 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mirrorball95

I think you have a wrong perception of music.
If you like the music, then you should listen to it & dont worry about what I would call 'shallow minded people' who say 'dont listen to that because hes this that or the next thing'. Now Im not defending what he does but making a point that hating him isnt an valid excuse to hate his music (IMO).
Now, I dont like his music to be honest & wouldnt bother listening to it but to me he is obviously talented as an entertainer & I think it is just too easy for you to hate bands based on who the people are.
Like a previous poster said, you wouldnt hate a book because of the author.
I would much prefer it if people would have a much more open mind when it came to music. To me it doesnt matter if the person is an ******* as its irrelevant when you to listen to a song (IMO).

you don't know how much i agree with you right now

Mirrorball95 · 05-01-2009, 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antonio

you don't know how much i agree with you right now

Well, I'm glad you appreciate what I'm saying as a lot of people don't, also I thought I had another argument on my hands... (which Im trying to avoid) but I still like to put my opinions across.
I just see the persons behaviour & the general perception of the person by the media/general public is totally irrelevant to my own when I listen to their music.

jackhammer · 04-14-2009, 04:10 PM

GG Allin was one messed up individual but no one was forced to see one of his shows and they knew what they were getting if they did. i have never even thought of GG Allin in this way. he was unique whether morally questionable or not.

40ozCasualty · 04-14-2009, 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jackhammer

GG Allin was one messed up individual but no one was forced to see one of his shows and they knew what they were getting if they did. i have never even thought of GG Allin in this way. he was unique whether morally questionable or not.

Your right no one was forced to go see him, but IF someone that did know what he was about DID go see him and get molested against their will, it is not excusable. and that's why i hate him and his music, based on the fact he was despicable.

Alfred · 04-14-2009, 04:13 PM

GG Allin was an asshole and so was his fanbase. Get a load of the lame goth chick.

40ozCasualty · 04-14-2009, 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alfred

GG Allin was an asshole and so was his fanbase. Get a load of the lame goth chick.

Dude, I'm not even a 3rd of the way through the video and already I'm annoyed. GG's whole justification for raping someone is absolutely absurd.

Molecules · 04-14-2009, 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 40ozCasualty

Dude, I'm not even a 3rd of the way through the video and already I'm annoyed. GG's whole justification for raping someone is absolutely absurd.

but don't you see it's helping to make them stronger in the event that a REAL rapist rapes them

''At his funeral, Allin's bloated, discolored* corpse was dressed in his black leather jacket and trademark jock strap. He had a bottle of Jim Beam beside him in his casket, as per his wishes (openly stated in his self-penned acoustic country ballad, "When I Die")''

lol. he lives on through springer

*discoloured

40ozCasualty · 04-14-2009, 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Molecules

but don't you see it's helping to make them stronger in the event that a REAL rapist rapes them

I lol'd

The Cat · 04-14-2009, 05:26 PM

If anyone has seen the movie Trick or Treat then GG Allin is just like the star in the movie a total egotistical fool.

Mirrorball95 · 05-01-2009, 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alfred

GG Allin was an asshole and so was his fanbase. Get a load of the lame goth chick.

It would be easy for me to just agree with you and nobody would say a word. But Ive tried to grasp the concept of this.
Personally I dont really care for the guys music but I can respect him up til a certain point & agree with quite a few of the things he said.
Personally I dont like GG Allin's music but could relate to a lot of what he was saying such as parents bring their kids up to be socially acceptable or whatever it was.
I respect him for being an individual and standing out.
But as for the rape and degreadation of humans on stage I think it is unrelated to the music & dont agree with these acts.
I think if people actually want to have sex at a concert & be violent then fine, its their thing & even though I dont personally approve of it I respect it.
Another view I have though is that the people who go there and know what to expect but for the younger ones who dont I think there is an issue there.
I think that his shows should have had an age limit and definitley 13 year old kids shouldnt have been allowed.
On the other hand, even though I can respect people's interests, I still think that the rape & violence is unneccessary as I think music without a doubt can be very much enjoyable without all that.

Finally, i think its all fine until the rape and violence/beatings part. Now, 'rape' is only 'rape' is its non-consensual isnt it? So if the people actually want these things then I dont see why they shouldnt be allowed.
Its just the people who dont (who shouldnt go basically) Now the guy would probably say to me im pidgeonholed in 'whats acceptable' in society but Im not.
Im quite an open minded person and trying to be as open minded about this as I can but I do think a line has to be drawn at a certain point and I think GG Allin crossed the line.

This is a very difficult thing to try and 'justify' as such but I tried to put across both aspects of my opinion.
I think it was just that bit too extreme and if it was toned down a bit (without the random rape & violence) then it would have been alright.

04-14-2009, 04:10 PM	#3 (permalink)
jackhammer Ba and Be. Join Date: May 2007 Location: This Is England Posts: 17,331	GG Allin was one messed up individual but no one was forced to see one of his shows and they knew what they were getting if they did. i have never even thought of GG Allin in this way. he was unique whether morally questionable or not. __________________ It be my music and film collection. “A cynic by experience, a romantic by inclination and now a hero by necessity.”

04-14-2009, 04:13 PM	#5 (permalink)
Alfred one big soul Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 5,096	GG Allin was an asshole and so was his fanbase. Get a load of the lame goth chick. __________________ LAST.FM / VINYL COLLECTION / RYM

04-14-2009, 05:26 PM	#9 (permalink)
The Cat ..Just Not Your Kind Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 188	If anyone has seen the movie Trick or Treat then GG Allin is just like the star in the movie a total egotistical fool. __________________ Just Because Your paraniod......Doesn't Mean They Are Not After You!