And I think it's hilarious.

TBH I thought they'd be shoe-ins along with Waits and PF.

And I thought Chuck Berry would've been a shoe-in. Who can fathom the fickle tastes of MusicBanter?

Frank Zappa
N/A - I'm ashamed to say that I haven't got a single track by him.

The Clash
**** yes. Tied with The Jam for best band of the late 70s.

Bob Dylan
Oh yeah - "If my thought-dreams could be seen, they'd probably put my head in a guillotine." 'Nuff said

Pink Floyd
Yes. Piper and Wish You Were Here are both amazing albums.

Big Black
N/A

Tom Waits
Yes, he's nice.

The Smiths
Yes, one of the best band of the 80s.

Chuck Berry
Hell yes, best songwriter and guitarist of the 50s.

Frank Zappa
Yes, personally I think he's a genius but y'know.

The Clash
Im going to say yes, if you have all their albums you see a real advancement and progression with each release, that in my view makes them the ultimate Punk band, in that they took the drivel being produced in the mid seventies, pressed reset, and created their own musical legacy using a proper wide spectrum of influences.

Bob Dylan
Hell yes, he's got some bad albums, but you cannot make a cake without breaking some eggs. A few exceptional folk albums at the start, some proper marvels in the mid sixties and mid seventies, and now in old age, he's back on form with a string of quality albums. A man whose role in music cannot be underplayed in my humble opinion.

Pink Floyd
No, have to be honest, I love their sixties output immensly, but I find the majority of their seventies stuff (some would call their prime stuff), terribly overblown and tedius. As with all old bands, their 80's output cannot be used against them.

Big Black
Abstain,

Tom Waits
I'm going to abstain, I've heard bits and love it, but have always skipped trying to buy his back catalogue.....which is HUGE and thus expensive, so forgive me for now.

The Smiths
Yes, not just because Im from Mancunia, Simply Red were from Manchester and they wouldnt get my vote. The Smiths for me are one of the ultimate Indie bands.... brilliant lyrics and brilliant music, a real era defining band

Chuck Berry
No, although he has some splendid songs, I feel he's mid table for his era and genre.

wow...this comment about their 70s work shocked me...I can't believe some of the comments about Pink Floyd...

I love the band descriptions Luke. :laughing:


Frank Zappa
Yes... as if it needs to be stated.

The Clash
Of course, there is no greater punk band. You'll have to excuse my rampant fanboyism here. :D

Bob Dylan
Abstain... I need to hear more of his discography to judge fairly.

Pink Floyd
Yes... as if a prog fan would vote otherwise

Big Black
Abstain

Tom Waits
My favourite singer/songwriter... the man is brilliant. A resounding yes from me.

The Smiths
Yes! Another of my fav bands.

Chuck Berry
No... he just doesn't do it for me.

Frank Zappa-Yea, his music is GREAT, and he's one of the most interesting figures in music

The ClashYes, London Calling is a great album

Bob Dylanyes, even though i'm not that into him

Pink Floyd-well they heavily influenced Porcupine Tree, and i like Porcupine Tree, so yeah

Big Blacknever heard or heard of

Tom Waitsnever heard, heard of

The Smithsnever heard, heard of

Chuck Berryyes goddamnit!!!! So much influence, great songs, great performer

the ones i haven't heard, i'll check out

WOW, Youre joking right?

Actually, on this forum, it's a very predictable thing to say.

It's still wrong of course. Syd era Floyd is super overrated on this forum and the Waters era gets little to no credit.

He hasn't been around long enough to know that the Smiths and Tom Waits are the most raved about artists on this forum I would assume. Big Black is semi-understandable, seeing as I've never really heard of him before this forum.

yeah this, basically. i'll check them out, don't worry.

Frank Zappa- N/a
The Clash- N/a
Bob Dylan- Yes. One of the greatest lyricists of all time.
Pink Floyd- Yes. One of the most influencial band ever to be formed.
Big Black- N/a
Tom Waits- N/a
The Smiths- Yes. Quickly becoming a favorite.
Chuck Berry-N/a

Predictable? Moi?

Its not that predictable as I'm one of the few neh sayers on this induction thread, and its certainly the first time anyone became shocked. If you are correct Boo Boo about this being a forum thing, you'd expect a load of members to come to my support, but I dont think that is the case at all.

Waters was very much a part of the "Syd Era" as was Richard Wright, who I think blossomed in the late sixties/early seventies, particulary during the Barrett/Gilmore transition. And my view isnt taking a swipe at Gilmore either, who lets be honest was very instrumental in Barrett getting some solo work out there and who has written some masterpieces in his time.

My personal view, which is not influenced by my 4 month membership on here, is that Floyd at some point (probably dare I say it, around Dark Side of The Moon) went from being a rather exciting band towards, music wise anyway, a rather bloated and self indulgent act, which certainly does cloud my view of this band, as this period is really what Floyd are famed for.

Sorry if thats hard to bare for some, but it would be a boring place if we all agreed on music, and in particular, the more esteemed acts. Surely they're big and good enough to take a dash of negativity from me, lets hope so.

What I'm saying is, you're in the majority on this forum.

I'm just one of the few here that thinks otherwise.

I love Barrett era Floyd, but as a songwriter, he's seriously overrated on this forum, I have Madcap Laughs and it's good. But I don't think Barrett comes close to being the songwriting genius a lot of people here make him out to be. I certainly consider Waters and Gilmour better songwriters.

IMO 1971-79 is the their highpoint. I know it's also the height of their commercial sucess, but that's not what I mean, DSOTM is still my favorite album of theirs, followed by WYWH and Meddle, and the very underrated Obscured by Clouds.

Frank Zappa: No. Haven't heard much and don't like what i've heard.
The Clash: London Calling is the **** so they get a yes.
Bob Dylan: Abstain
Pink Floyd: Nahhh.
Big Black: Great band. Bad Penny alone is enough to get them in. Yes.
Tom Waits: Haven't heard much and haven't like what i've heard. No.
The Smiths: Amazing. Truly a unique sound. Yes.
Chuck Berry: Abstain

Can someone explain the rationale behind casting a vote against music you've never heard? I don't get it. If you haven't heard it just abstain.

I didn't realise there was an abstain option until just now. I will edit my post.

:beer:

Your right , there's nobody here into prog and nobody rates stuff like Meddle or Animals or Wish You Were Here on this forum whatsoever.

And heres why it shouldn't be.

"Several Species of Small Furry Animals Gathered Together in a Cave and Grooving with a Pict"

I didn't say that. I'm saying most of the regulars (that's the key word) prefer Syd era stuff. And If I were to make a Syd era vs Gilmour era poll I'm pretty confident Syd would win.

Gee you picked a song from the one album every member of the band hates and THAT'S what you use against them? So no good band is expected to have a bad song or two?

Because you have no right defending Syd Barrett of all goddamn people, or to be a White Stripes fan, because they undeniably have some awful stuff.

I think the nerdrage got in the way of your logic there.

1. I don't have a right to defend him? So I did what I was allowed?

2. I don't have the right to be a white stripes fan? Why?

3. You're confusing awful with, "written in a drug fueled haze, and stupid enough when sober to think it was a ****ing song!"

That last part actually describes a good portion of the Syd Barrett discography.

I'm saying you have a thing for discrediting artists completely because they've done some really bad songs, who hasn't? It's like writting off Jefferson Airplane completely because of what they did in the 80s (if making bad 80s music was really that big of a deal, everyone should be discredited), it's stupid, and it also seems to suggest that your favorite artists can do no wrong, ever. Which of course is a load of crap. I can admit that all of my favorite artists have done some crap.

Even when it's in jest, to write a band off for one song is just freaking stupid.

If I had to choose, I'd rather listen to Several Species of Small Furry Animals Gathered Together in a Cave and Grooving with a Pict than In The Cold, Cold Night or the Tom Waits ballads that sound like leftover Springsteen.

Boo Boo, let me show you the break down of how this all happens, and then maybe you'll see why you get far too worked up in the eyes of everyone else.

You write a thesis on how Barret era floyd is over rated.

I make a tounge-in-cheek response agreeing with you.

You act like I've written a thesis, or intended to but I was just too stupid.

Then you agree with my third, and really only seriosuly made point, in my list and then go on to draw some phantom conclusions about what my stupid one-liner several posts back really means.

For someone who decries authoritarianism, you certainly conduct business like big brother.

You imgained I said Waits and White are infallible.

You imagined I decried an entire discography by citing one song.

And then you create a counter-argument to an arguement YOU CREATED.

Sometimes its just best to let a sleeping dog lie.

Frank Zappa: Yes, you already said it, he is god
The Clash: Yes, helped define the punk genre
Bob Dylan: Absol****ingyes, his music calms the mind and the soul and is wonderful to listen to. He is also one of the few real classic guys who i enjoy listening to over and over again
Pink Floyd: Yes, I don't think that really needs explaining
Big Black: eh, I like big black a lot, but i wouldn't really but them in the hall of fame
Tom Waits: Another big yes, I love everything about him
The Smiths: Sure, very different.
Chuck Berry: No, I don't really care about chuck berry at all.

Ok, sorry. I was being stupid there, I just recall things you said before and assumed that's what you meant. I'm sorry.

that's what prevents me from rating Rain Dogs as highly as everyone else. :(

Jersey Girl practically ruined that album.

Thats a pretty good feat for two reasons

1. Jersey Girl isn't on Rain Dogs.

2. Its originally a Waits song that the boss co-opted.

I wanna know what sounds like "leftover springsteen" by the way.

the lack of interest in this, this time around is rather astonishing.

Frank Zappa: Yes, genius, one of my favorite artists of all time.
The Clash: Yes, they're classic, you can't say no to british punk rock!
Bob Dylan: Yes, definitely.
Pink Floyd: Seeing as they're one of my most played on last.fm, and I'm a fan, do you even have to see the word yes in this post? Good, because I just posted it.
Big Black: No, only because I've never heard them.
Tom Waits: No, never heard him/them either.
The Smiths: Yes. Just because.
Chuck Berry: No, because one way or anything he's going to find his way into the next round.

There's nothing I can say that hasn't already been said.

Frank Zappa: Yes.
The Clash: Yes.
Bob Dylan: YES.
Pink Floyd: Yes.
Big Black: No.
Tom Waits: Yes.
The Smiths: Yes.
Chuck Berry: Nah.

my bad, but there ARE others on Rain Dogs that give me that eerie 'this sounds a bit too much like Springsteen' for my taste. towards the end of the album it sort of devolves into this massive pit that it really doesn't climb out of until the very end. to me, there's just too huge a gap between the great material on that album (Anywhere I Lay My Head is perfect) and the bad (Hang Down Your Head, Blind Love, Downtown Train).

if you don't get that impression i don't know what to tell you but i can certainly echo boobs' sentiment -- there's stuff that Waits has written that sounds like it's been regurgitated by the Boss. and not in a good way.

I'm surprised by all the no votes for Chuck Berry.

He sure as hell gets my vote, as do Bob Dylan and The Clash.

Do I really need to explain why? C'mon, it's Chuck Berry, The Clash, and Bob Mother****ing Dylan. 'Nuff said.

Hang Down Your Head and Downtown Train.

Those are the songs from Rain Dogs I could do without.

It's still one of my favorite albums ever, don't get me wrong.

Rough counting...

You need 2/3rds of total votes right?

Zappa - 22 to 4 (Definite yes)
Clash - 22 to 4 (Definite yes)
Dylan - 23 to 3 (Definite yes)
Floyd - 26 to 3 (Definite yes)
Black - 9 to 8 (Need 7 more yes votes without a no)
Waits - 20 to 5 (Definite yes)
Smiths - 18 to 11 (Need 4 more yes votes to crack the 66% mark without a no)
Berry - 7 to 17 (Definite no)

I don't really know (Nor care) if they are entirely accurate, but only one and a half days left til voting ends (Based on the first post) as its been open for 9 days already.

I added The Cat's votes because he has cracked the 100 posts...
Shame more people don't listen to BB.

Well I'm not going to debate Downtown Train because I beleive it falls into that catagory of "too popular to accuratly review."

Hand Down your Head I don't feel incredibly strongly about, but I would say if it were on any other album, it would likely be a stronger track.

Though I don't know how either sounds like

a. Springsteen

b. Leftover Springsteen (keeping in mind that that is your charge.)

c. not good.

I guess the narrative style looks like the Boss, and thats fair, but downtown train is, I dare say, more versely worded than most springsteen tracks save for maybe Thunder road.

Outside another yellow moon
punched a hole in the nighttime mist
I climb through the window and down the street
I'm shining like a new dime
the downtown trains are full, full with all them Brooklyn girls
they try so hard to break out of their little worlds

You wave your hand and they scatter like crows
they have nothing that will ever capture your heart
theyr'e just thorns without the rose
be careful of them in the dark
oh if I was the one
you chose to be your only one
oh baby can't you hear me now

I guess the idea of the city and lost romance is Boss-esque, but you know I'm going to think its outlandish blasphemy to called it "warmed over springsteen"

Whatever dude, you're rather astonishing.

I'm talking about the actual sound of the song too, it sounds like a Springstein song (and IMO not a terribly good one), only with even raspier vocals.

I like Time, but other than that I just don't like his ballads, they don't go very well with his other songs at all.

on that album you don't like the ballads, or in general? Because the stuff on Mule Variations was solid stuff.

I'm a huge Tom Waits fan, but I agree his ballads can be hit-or-miss. I don't mind the ballads on Rain Dogs, though I there's a couple I wouldn't miss if they were gone, but some of the ballads on, for example, Heartattack and Vine are just fucking tedious.