Music Banter Hall of Fame: Induction Thread 3 (electronic, funk, jazz)

[lucifer_sam]

i don't see what the problem is with it, definitely gives noobs an introduction to what music we like here. i'm up for anything that gets people to discuss music, really.

[TheCellarTapes]

Originally Posted by Zarko

Either way, the way these sort of things tend to go is that the obvious ones get in first and eventually everyone starts branching out with their nominations.

I think you've hit the nail on the head, its very much in its infancy at the minute, and the left field names are starting to filter through.

I have no doubt that this Hall of Fame thing will (if not already) develop into something very useful as time goes on.

[Mirrorball95]

Originally Posted by TheCellarTapes

Do you not think though Mirrorball that these Hall of Fame threads have generated good and honest debate and discussion?

Yes, just as any discussion about music on this forum does. I just dont like the whole concept of holding up these particular artists and saying 'they are the best' etc etc.
I think all the music I listen(or perhaps more appropriately like- although there is some stuff where I dont like but can still appreciate it for what it is) to is good in its own right & thats how I think that ,due to the original concept of these hall of fame things, they are unecessary.
The way I see 'the best in the world' statement is that it is based up limited experience of music. I find it impossible to actually truthfully say that this band or this artist is 'the best in the world' as I havent heard every single artist to compare against.
You never know when youre gonna find a new great band and anything can happen with new artists and bands coming out (not so much the mainstream ones).

Originally Posted by lucifer_sam

nobody nominated the Who and i don't think the Stones got in either.

Wow, thats a breakthrough we have here. I was just naming the most obvious rock bands which people state are 'the best in the world'.

Originally Posted by Zarko

Either way, the way these sort of things tend to go is that the obvious ones get in first and eventually everyone starts branching out with their nominations.

Yep which I disagree with as I dont think it should be based on the 'biggest, most commercial, most well known (or over hyped IMO)...

Originally Posted by TheCellarTapes

I think you've hit the nail on the head, its very much in its infancy at the minute, and the left field names are starting to filter through.
I have no doubt that this Hall of Fame thing will (if not already) develop into something very useful as time goes on.

The thing about this comment though is that it is so blatantly obvious, you wouldnt even actually have to be into music to make that prediction.
I mean when you hear the term 'big names' do you really think they aint gonna get in?

[Zarko]

You do realise this thread isn't saying these artists are the best in the world?

It is simply saying which artists are Music Banters FAVOURITES... There is a difference.

Originally Posted by PMO

The Hall of Fame will be an ongoing project that with time should honour the music artists that are loved by the collective members of MB.

Doesn't suggest that we think these artists are the best in the world, just who we as a community love.

[Mirrorball95]

Originally Posted by Zarko

You do realise this thread isn't saying these artists are the best in the world?

It is simply saying which artists are Music Banters FAVOURITES... There is a difference.

That is the concept of 'Hall Of Fame' though isnt it.
Also 'Music Banter' isnt exactly a person in itself and the posters on here all each have their individual opinions which should be considered rather than doing daft polls based on 'popular opinion.
Sorry but I just dont agree with this thread.

[Zarko]

Originally Posted by Mirrorball95

That is the concept of 'Hall Of Fame' though isnt it.
Also 'Music Banter' isnt exactly a person in itself and the posters on here all each have their individual opinions which should be considered rather than doing daft polls based on 'popular opinion.
Sorry but I just dont agree with this thread.

Yes, the concept of the HOF in this case is to highlight our favourites... How hard is that to understand?

Everyone has the chance to voice their opinion in the threads, and then they vote... It isn't based on popular opinion because there is no reason to base it on an opinion other than your own. Otherwise bands such as Led Zep, The Beach Boys, The Smiths would have easily been inducted into the HOF, yet they weren't.

[Mirrorball95]

Originally Posted by Zarko

Yes, the concept of the HOF in this case is to highlight our favourites... How hard is that to understand?

Everyone has the chance to voice their opinion in the threads, and then they vote... It isn't based on popular opinion because there is no reason to base it on an opinion other than your own. Otherwise bands such as Led Zep, The Beach Boys, The Smiths would have easily been inducted into the HOF, yet they weren't.

Well, hard enough that you had to reiterate in your 2nd last post that it was the point of the Hall Of Fame, whereas I see no point in having these things at all. So tell me when all the votes come in for the bands, you dont count them up but rather make a decision based on your own opinion?
Whoa, I dont think people will be too happy about that...

[TheCellarTapes]

Originally Posted by Mirrorball95

The thing about this comment though is that it is so blatantly obvious, you wouldnt even actually have to be into music to make that prediction.
I mean when you hear the term 'big names' do you really think they aint gonna get in?

As someone who voted no for Pink Floyd, Chuck Berry, The Beach Boys and Radiohead's entry, Im going to say no, I dont think the "Big Names" are certain shoe ins. I mean Christ Led Zeppelin are not in but Public Enemy are

It is early days with it and I've not managed to get a nomination put up yet myself, but Im sure I wont be alone in nominating an act who are obscure to many in the outside world and yet championed on this place, or even perhaps not thought of as anything at all yet.

The list is below just incase you've not seen it, but I dont think of King Crimson, Public Enemy or Tom Waits as massive names, but I do think they fit in with the opening lines explaining what this process is all about.

The Hall of Fame will be an ongoing project that with time should honour the music artists that are loved by the collective members of MB.

Led Zeppelin 20 to 7 (Eligible for renomination)
Joy Division 22 to 7 (Inducted)
Elliott Smith 16 to 13 (Eligible for renomination)
The Beatles 25 to 4 (Inducted)
King Crimson 23 to 5 (Inducted)
Wu-Tang Clan 19 to 19 (Eligible for renomination)
The Velvet Underground 28 to 4 (Inducted)
Radiohead 24 to 9 (Inducted)
The Kinks 29 to 4 (Inducted)
The Beach Boys 26 to 13 (Eligible for renominaton)
Public Enemy 24 to 16 (Inducted)
Frank Zappa 24 to 5 (Inducted)
The Clash 33 to 11 (Inducted)
Bob Dylan 33 to 3 (Inducted)
Pink Floyd 31 to 7 (Inducted)
Big Black 13 to 6 (Eligible for renominaton)
Tom Waits 25 to 4 (Inducted)
The Smiths 33 to 7 (Eligible for renominaton)
Chuck Berry 22 to 16 (Eligible for renominaton)

Failed to be nominated

Yes 15 to 19
Porcupine Tree 10 to 13
At The Drive-In 8 to 22
Public Image Ltd 11 to 21
Neutral Milk Hotel 10 to 30
Echo and the Bunnymen 14 to 16
The Mars Volta 8 to 23

[Zarko]

Originally Posted by Mirrorball95

Well, hard enough that you had to reiterate in your 2nd last post that it was the point of the Hall Of Fame, whereas I see no point in having these things at all. So tell me when all the votes come in for the bands, you dont count them up but rather make a decision based on your own opinion?
Whoa, I dont think people will be too happy about that...

I don't care if you do or don't like the premise, but I will debate the idea of them when your basis of disliking this one in particular is obviously flawed.

You vote in the poll and then in here based on your opinion. Stop being a smart arse for the sake of it

Of course, it is much much easier to complain about things you don't like than contribute positively to threads about things you do love without putting down other music .

[Mirrorball95]

Originally Posted by Zarko

I don't care if you do or don't like the premise, but I will debate the idea of them when your basis of disliking this one in particular is obviously flawed.

You vote in the poll and then in here based on your opinion. Stop being a smart arse for the sake of it

Of course, it is much much easier to complain about things you don't like than contribute positively to threads about things you do love without putting down other music .

Originally Posted by Zarko

I don't care if you do or don't like the premise, but I will debate the idea of them when your basis of disliking this one in particular is obviously flawed.

You vote in the poll and then in here based on your opinion. Stop being a smart arse for the sake of it

Of course, it is much much easier to complain about things you don't like than contribute positively to threads about things you do love without putting down other music .

But as Ive already said I dont agree with the concept of these 'Hall Of Fame' things. So no, I aint going to vote for anything as I feel it is inappropriate when I dont agree with it in the first place. I saw the list and most of the inclusions bar a few are mostly mainstream predictable entries.
Just because there are a load of Prog Rockers on here is the only reason the likes of 'King Crimson' got in ('Yes' nearly...).
The only 'Hall Of Fame' (although I hate the term) I would be interested in would be one that embraces more styles of music other than just Rock and its subgenres. I have already previously mentioned other genres such as Jazz, Electronic,Soul,Funk,even Avant Garde stuff, which sadly went unnoticed.