Roguette

'Le Sable', the sand. Watching the video I think of something like 'the sands of time'. Can you tell me what does this song means, its significance? I know very little French. Thank you.

Roguette

SO busy, getting ready to go out of town for a stupid budget conference. And starting on Friday, it's insane. This may be my last post for a few days....regretfully.

That's funny but watching her dance and bounce around is amazing.

My kohannya (is that a good word for me to use? kind of like rusky 'dushen'ka'?) loves strong violin and that's how he found her I suppose. And then he bought that CD 'Homo Novus'.

Would love to know the lyrics of that Ukrainian folk song by Mnishek.

Anything 'Electro' will always get my attention. But WOW that first song.... and also the last one, both seem to have a lot of symbolism. And that long horn.... looks (and sounds) like an Australian didgeridoo?
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I almost hate to mention the Mongolian hints in the first video because, well, istorichna. Batu Khan and Kiev, 1240. The Mongolian Terror. But still, that was then and this is now. I've posted this song in another topic but I couldn't help wanting to play this song again. I can't resist anything that vibrates my senses like this throat singing and it's just amazing.

SergiyY

Thank you for this song! I wish the Jewish people and the state of Israel victory and prosperity! Ukrainians and the Jewish people are now fighting on the same side. We also know on our own skin what it is like not to have our own state for centuries and what genocide is...
And what happened in Dagestan has a real basis and is only a small puzzle of a bigger picture. Back in 2006, in the Russian-speaking segment of the Internet, I got acquainted with the phenomenon that a couple of years later I conceptualized and called "informational worldview spaces" and I somehow managed to avoid becoming a supporter of any of them. Many of them were built around anti-Semitism. Now I understand that these things were FSB projects, which they first tested on Russians (the events in Dagestan are a consequence of that process), and then spread to other countries, in particular where they planned to use it. What happened in the Gaza Strip and what is happening in other countries where actions in support of the Palestinians are taking place, in my opinion, did not happen without these technologies developed in Russia. I think the time has come when the freedom of propaganda must be separated from the freedom of speech and this shameful phenomenon must be effectively counteracted, otherwise we are on the verge of the decline of human civilization.
I found this English translation. Would love to read Jadis's answer thoughabout this song.
...
Yes, I will defend the sand of Israel,
The land of Israel, the children of Israel;
Left to die for the sand of Israel,
The land of Israel, the children of Israel;
I will defend against any enemy,

Sand and earth, which I was promised
Left to die for the sand of Israel,
The cities of Israel, the land of Israel;
All the Goliaths from the pyramids,
Retreat before the Star of David.

jadis

Hey Sergiy, nice to have you on MB! You sound like a very interesting guy.

As it happens, I'm not Jewish, I'm in Israel for work. I do speak Russian though, my parents immigrated to Canada when I was a small boy in the 1990s.

I think you're spot on about the common cause of Ukraine and Israel: both national movements have long been fiercely hated by the Kremlin, going way back to the Soviet times. I am less familiar with the case of Ukraine, but I've been reading a lot over the years about the astonishing resilience of Stalinist vocabulary and rhetoric in anti-Israeli propaganda. "Anti-Zionism is not antisemitism", "Israel is the new Nazi Germany", "Israel is the vanguard of global imperialism", "Zionism is the real antisemitism" and all that horse$hit can be traced back to Stalin's antisemitic campaigns in the last years of his life. The spread of these braindead cliches to the USSR's client states in the third world and to its useful idiots in the first is well documented, and boy have they persisted. Of course the scary surge in antisemitism we see worldwide is fuelled by multiple new factors, Putin's cyber propaganda among them... but the verbal formulas of Stalinist "anti-Zionism" are still with us, somehow. Truly, a zombie ideology.

Have you seen Хрусталёв, маши́ну? It's one of the best films ever. It's set in 1953. There's an amazing scene where schoolyard bullies are beating up a Jewish kid and calmly explain that they're doing this because his family are "Zionists" and actually they have nothing against Jews...

From the bottom of my heart, wish you and all Ukrainians all the very best and may your resistance against pure evil end in victory, sooner rather than later.

Roguette

Thank you Sergiy! The thing is I usually don't think of 'Israel' and 'sand' because there is much to like in the Israeli landscapes that I have seen.... I think because the people are proud and respectful of who they are and the 'sand' that they (rightfully) claim as their own.

My comment to Sergiy is meant for you too and I expect you can tell us all a lot more about the landscape of modern Israel. I actually envy you in a small way, that you can see Israel with your own eyes and even feel it. I'm sure I don't have to tell you how much Israel means to a great many Americans, I want to say the vast majority of 'Americans' including Canadians, native or immigrant. Thank you for posting that song.

jadis

I would say the opinions are divided... In Montreal it's always been a huge issue, very divisive. The more established Jewish community and the Anglo protestant establishment are very pro-Israel, whereas immigrants from places like Morocco and Lebanon have different views. Plus there are four universities so there are thousands of 20-year-olds who love wrapping themselves up in the Palestinian flag and shouting slogans about colonialism, whatever their heritage may be. A certain type of French-Canadians, or Quebecois, are very suspicious of Israel but not for any cool Fanon-quoting reasons, just plain old Catholic antisemitism. But then there are some supporting it for weird religious reasons. Many different projections...

Israel has lots of sand though, the entire south is just the Negev desert, then there are all the beaches and stuff

The Gainsbourg song... It's a real rarity, I'm a big fan of his and I only learned of it now. It was written and recorded at the request of the Israeli ambassador to France before the Six Day war, when it was clear Israel is going to be attacked and the diplomat wanted to somehow support the troops, like through a new song from France's greatest songwriter written just for them. It was never released in France, it was played one time on the Israeli radio and then lay in the archives forgotten for decades.

I think it's a great song that doesn't sound like anything else he's written. Like many French Jews of his generation, he was very proud of his Jewishness but also of his Frenchness, so he supported Israel from afar. His view of it was rather colored by the Bible it seems.

Roguette

Oh believe me I know all about that kind of thing because it's scattered all across the US, not localized at all. And of course universities are always front and center or very close to it. (There are 3 major universities within an hour's drive of where I live.) There are actually quite a few people that believe these protests are organized, funded and equipped behind the scenes. Yeah conspiracy theory, but it's funny how so many of these groups can sound and look so much the same, same chants and rants, same signs, all of that..... from NYC to Los Angeles.... blooming like spring lilies (or rather hemlock) all over the place. I'm probably rambling because I'm exhausted (very long day) so I'll just shut up now. Except to say I'm glad to meet both you and Sergiy here, was totally unexpected (for me anyway) in a forum like this.

My version of 'easy listening' before bedtime. From an Israeli electronica producer, and Maya Semantov may be Israeli too but I don't know for sure. I've been a huge fan of Offer Nissim's music for more than 10 years. His productions are as perfect as it gets.

Can't get it to display correctly so the full url....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-T2dM9_cP0k

SergiyY

"Мій коханий", "Miy kohaniy" ("my darling" or if literally "my beloved man")
"Моя кохана", "Moya kohana" (if literally "my beloved wooman")/
I can advise you to pay attention to 2Cellos and Tina Guo. They don't play the violin, but the cello, and maybe, but that's what immediately came to my mind
Ukrainian version
My translation. I don't know English very well (although it's already much better than before), so I use the help of Google translator, but here I tried to convey the essence of the song as accurately as possible, so I also used a dictionary and checked much more carefully, but I could still make some mistakes somewhere.
The last couplet is not in the Mnishek song, but it is probably in the original ethnographic recording of this folk song, so I translated it too, but highlighted it in a different color.
This is the trembita "trembita" - a Ukrainian folk wind mouthpiece musical instrument. Its length is 3-4 m, and the longest trembits are as much as 8 m. Widespread in the Ukrainian Carpathians. It used to be not only a musical instrument but also a notification instrument in mountainous areas, as its sound spread up to 10 km. With its help, the shepherd reported on how cattle grazing was going on, reported the time, reported danger. The sound of trembits was also used to spread the news about weddings, births or funerals. By the way, in addition to the didgeridoo and trembita, there is another similar instrument, the Swiss Alpine horn.
This is already a story from which certain lessons can be drawn. And as for the Mongol invasion of Ukraine, their destructive influence on our lands seems to have been an exaggeration. Yes, they took Kyiv, but there was no total devastation. This is at least if certain historians are to be believed (of course, it still needs to be checked more thoroughly to be sure). And they did not leave a noticeable genetic trace here. But the first destruction of Kyiv in the history was not arranged by Baty, but by Andrii Bogolyubskyi. It is precisely from this event that one can begin to count the enmity of Russians against Ukrainians, but that is another story. The only thing that can be noted here is that we no longer have any complaints about the Mongols, and about the Russians, until 2014, most of us believed that their illness had passed and we could be normal neighbors. It hasn't passed... And the song is quite powerful!

Today I will post several clips of the Ukrainian singer Katya Chilly. Genres of her work: Folk, Electronic music, Pop, Rock, Trance, House (material from Wikipedia). Has a unique voice. The first two songs I posted are from her album "I am young", and the last one is from her relatively new work. Although there are even earlier albums, the clip "In the Earth" and recordings of her performances at the music festival in 1997 and later albums and separate things. He mainly sings Ukrainian folk songs in a modern arrangement. Used to use electronic music, now mainly live music. And it seems that a new stage in her work is being planned, in particular, on one of her channels she has started teaching Ukrainian folk lullabies in her performance and seems to be preparing something else.

Roguette

Thank you so much for the translations! All of them, and info about the trembita too, of course. As for Katya Chilly.... 'Folk, Electronic music, Pop, Rock, Trance, House'.... I MUST check out her music as soon as I can.

Nice to know. A few years ago I read a small part of a historical novel that described it as a total 'scorched earth' invasion. But 'scorched earth' happens more in fiction that in reality.

Farewell

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