Originally Posted by VEGANGELICA (Post 993432)

Er...well...Tumor...er...I actually don't like the sound of Bikini Kill's song "Sugar" very much, or its structure, or her thin, nasally voice. But I do like the beat and I do like the song's message, which I feel is best summarized by this line from the song: "I won't play girl to your boy no more, sugar."

I believe this line refers to roles women may play in sex to try to stroke the superficial ego of a male whose primary interest is feeling like some macho stud while the woman feels her own desires unfulfilled. This is why you've got to find your own "sugar." ;)

The song makes me wonder at whom she is angrier. Herself, for putting herself in this situation, or the guy for accepting or wanting it?

So, now that I've thought about the song more, I like it. :) I like the bitter tone and the self-loathing that spurs her to stop doing a disservice to herself and start feeling deserving of sweetness.

Originally Posted by s_k (Post 993326)

Bob, I'm sure you know the blues magoos?
Somehow the Sorrows make me think of them.

Originally Posted by Tumor (Post 993440)

I interpreted the tone as more frusterated then angry but yeah. Accurate interpretation.
I've always liked her voice and the very repetitive structure. I guess in retrospect I CAN understand how people would not like it but its great to me. Feels right. Seems pure.

Originally Posted by VEGANGELICA (Post 993446)

I agree the Bikini Kill singer's voice sounds pure. She emotes well. You can feel her aggression. Yes, I think you are right about her sounding frustrated in the song. I should have used that word, frustration.

The repetitive structure definitely makes the song sound like much punk music to me. Maybe I just diss it a bit because it sounds *easy* and I want more complexity. Or maybe I'm envious because I don't do "raw, sloppy anger" well or easily.

About my not-so-good critique of her voice: I suppose I fight with my internal programming (due to external programmers) that makes me tend to value "prettiness" even as I'm seething with deep hostilities and sadnesses inside and wanting very much to express the opposite of prettiness. I *like* that she isn't trying to sound "pretty" even as the unprettiness of her voice makes me think: "Not pretty." It's my issue. I'm getting over it, Tumor. :)

I like you. I just felt like saying that.

Originally Posted by Tumor (Post 993450)

Its your opinion about the music bro, not about me. lol. no 'fense taken.
You like vocalists that can actually sing in the classical sense of the word. I'm in the minority but I really don't. I can only think of a couple artists that I listen to that can really sing....I like the screamers, the talk-singers, and the chronically offkey. Its not an issue that you don't, its your personal preference.
If you like the message of the song but don't like the way it sounds....I dunno, do you still listen to it? I wouldn't. No fault of yours if the way the punk genre sounds or Kathleen Hanna's vocal articulation isn't appealing to you.