I-Doser

CanwllCorfe · 02-10-2009, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by BoopieJones

I tried "content" - smiled for the first 4 minutes into it then turned it off

Alchohol -felt heavy and tired. Turned it off after like 30 minutes.

Peyote - Body tingled. Heart beat faster, thinking was a little slowed. Did it again this morning, fell asleep. Did it in school and objects seemed to morph a little. I kept going into trances. I was also really wishing it could work.

Marijuana - I fell asleep while listening to this but felt a little bit of an elation although not much.

I think this is false marketing, by naming it as the name of recreational drugs. I was hoping for an experience like one of those and i did not get one. Bah.

I haven't tried any of those haha

the strongest reaction I had to any of them was the White Crosses one

and sumguy yeah I would be interested in seeing results of a test like that

BoopieJones · 02-10-2009, 09:12 PM

Oh and cocain was annoying, made me twitch alittle, and i fell asleep, too.

CanwllCorfe · 02-10-2009, 09:22 PM

haven't tried that one either. I'm not interested in the drug ones, I am more interested in the weird ones that have strange descriptions like Black Sunshine, White Crosses and A-Bomb

BoopieJones · 02-10-2009, 09:31 PM

I'm just a wanna-be junkie.

CanwllCorfe · 02-10-2009, 09:42 PM

hahaaaha!!

sumguy · 02-10-2009, 11:43 PM

The first step is admitting that you have a problem. Hopefully they come up with some for of AA for this stuff. It is ruining lives.

Audioaholics Anonymous

Guybrush · 02-11-2009, 06:33 AM

If people have their healthy scepticism intact and still wanna try it despite that it costs money, that's fine with me. I wouldn't bother with it and I don't like the idea that someone might be selling placebo. If it was free, it wouldn't matter as much.

To me, it just seems too much like they are trying to sell placebo. All the tips they give you - relax, concentrate, believe, don't be distracted - are things that should help give you a placebo effect. Doing all that and concentrating on sound should also likely have a meditative effect and for those who have tried that will know that a certain feel of tingliness, heaviness and so on, is common when meditating. That along with placebo should all add to the illusion that this stuff works. It's like the perfect scheme.

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Originally Posted by CanwllCorfe

(I believe in ghosts... is that a no-no?)

Well, for me it is. I expect that if you take a group of ten people, shove'em into a spooky house, give them an ouija board and tell them the place is haunted, then they're gonna have "paranormal experiences", ghosts or not. It is also a kind of placebo effect ..

However, I'm open to the concept of ghosts. It hasn't been disproved, but it's not proven either. Aside from being biased towards science and the empirically proven in general, I would rather be proven wrong as a non-believer than as a believer.

There are lots of people and products out there that try to exploit the vulnerable and the gullible. Check out this video here for example for a story about a woman who's made it her life to deceit others.

And if you wanna watch something absolutely hilarious regarding ghosts, you should watch this video where they make up a ghost story connected to this old building, then invite lots of mediums and see what they all come up with .. One woman even gets possessed by the ghost they made up.

I have had "ghost experiences" myself, but I think they were the product of my own imagination, really.

CanwllCorfe · 02-11-2009, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by toretorden

If people have their healthy scepticism intact and still wanna try it despite that it costs money, that's fine with me. I wouldn't bother with it and I don't like the idea that someone might be selling placebo. If it was free, it wouldn't matter as much.

To me, it just seems too much like they are trying to sell placebo. All the tips they give you - relax, concentrate, believe, don't be distracted - are things that should help give you a placebo effect. Doing all that and concentrating on sound should also likely have a meditative effect and for those who have tried that will know that a certain feel of tingliness, heaviness and so on, is common when meditating. That along with placebo should all add to the illusion that this stuff works. It's like the perfect scheme.

Well, for me it is. I expect that if you take a group of ten people, shove'em into a spooky house, give them an ouija board and tell them the place is haunted, then they're gonna have "paranormal experiences", ghosts or not. It is also a kind of placebo effect ..

However, I'm open to the concept of ghosts. It hasn't been disproved, but it's not proven either. Aside from being biased towards science and the empirically proven in general, I would rather be proven wrong as a non-believer than as a believer. There are lots of people and products out there that try to exploit the vulnerable and the gullible. Check out this video here for example for a story about a woman who's made it her life to deceit others. And if you wanna watch something absolutely hilarious regarding ghosts, you should watch this video where they make up a ghost story connected to this old building, then invite lots of mediums and see what they all come up with .. One woman even gets possessed by the ghost they made up. I have had "ghost experiences" myself, but I think they were the product of my own imagination, really.

See now I believe in ghosts, but I don't believe in the spiritual aspect of it. (Psychics, mediums, whatnot). I never have. Although there was one time where Ghost Hunters did a reading with Jason Hawes and some random psychic and got something pretty weird, I wish I could find a video. In essence, the psychic asked the same questions psychics always do, BUT they had a thermal image camera pointed at both of them. At that point you see what looks like heat moving from Jason to the psychic, then the psychic moves his hand, and it disappears. That was the only thing I ever saw that made me question myself about them believing, but just seeing that isn't nearly enough. And about I-Doser, I know it does seem like that. But if I was in a dark room with my eyes closed and focusing on music I would either turn it off and watch TV, or go to sleep. I have HORRIBLE ADD so focusing is damn near impossible. And the one that I tried called White Crosses actually gave me physical pain. It was really bizarre. I thought it was gonna be fun, but that one wasn't. and that second video is HILARIOUS!! I love it. I can't stand psychics

ixtlan22 · 02-11-2009, 12:58 PM

I tried a free "dose" from Wikipedia (it's in the article under: Binaural Beats). It was pretty interesting. I could obviously speculate that it was a placebo effect but either way I found the experience enjoyable. This sample starts with a 20Hz beat, gradually slows down to btwn. 7 and 8 Hz and then gradually speeds back up to 16hz.

As the beats slowed down, I found body warming up. I was still the whole time, lying face up on my bed. My body may have just been heating up but my heart rate increased a little and I had a euphoric feeling that increased as time went on. As the beating speed began to increase again there was a very noticeable difference in my brain activity. I didn't hallucinate in any way but my imagination began to run far more wild. This is not an uncommon thing for me when I am resting but the changing of speeds definitely seemed to act as a catalyst. I also had a very different perception of time as the increase from 8 Hz to 16 felt like at least a third of the process when in reality it was only 5 of 30 minutes.

Overall: I think that the "dose" acted as a good form of assisted meditation and I appreciated the affect it had on me, placebo or not. I'm going to try another "dose" and see what the results are. I was definitely pleasantly surprised. The Wikipedia article cleared up some questions I had, but as always Wikipedia is sketchy at best.

Binaural beats - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

CanwllCorfe · 02-11-2009, 04:56 PM

Ohh that's awesome!! I remember my first experience, it was so bizarre I didn't know what to make of it.

02-10-2009, 11:43 PM	#36 (permalink)
sumguy Groupie Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Utah Posts: 36	The first step is admitting that you have a problem. Hopefully they come up with some for of AA for this stuff. It is ruining lives. Audioaholics Anonymous __________________ Yes, I am an Atheist and Yes, you are going to Hell

02-11-2009, 12:58 PM	#39 (permalink)
ixtlan22 Loves Jan Terri Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 184	I tried a free "dose" from Wikipedia (it's in the article under: Binaural Beats). It was pretty interesting. I could obviously speculate that it was a placebo effect but either way I found the experience enjoyable. This sample starts with a 20Hz beat, gradually slows down to btwn. 7 and 8 Hz and then gradually speeds back up to 16hz. As the beats slowed down, I found body warming up. I was still the whole time, lying face up on my bed. My body may have just been heating up but my heart rate increased a little and I had a euphoric feeling that increased as time went on. As the beating speed began to increase again there was a very noticeable difference in my brain activity. I didn't hallucinate in any way but my imagination began to run far more wild. This is not an uncommon thing for me when I am resting but the changing of speeds definitely seemed to act as a catalyst. I also had a very different perception of time as the increase from 8 Hz to 16 felt like at least a third of the process when in reality it was only 5 of 30 minutes. Overall: I think that the "dose" acted as a good form of assisted meditation and I appreciated the affect it had on me, placebo or not. I'm going to try another "dose" and see what the results are. I was definitely pleasantly surprised. The Wikipedia article cleared up some questions I had, but as always Wikipedia is sketchy at best. Binaural beats - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia __________________ "Peculiar travel suggestions are dancing lessons from God." -Bockonon-

02-10-2009, 09:12 PM	#32 (permalink)
BoopieJones Music Addict Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: SI, NY Posts: 54	Oh and cocain was annoying, made me twitch alittle, and i fell asleep, too.

02-10-2009, 09:22 PM	#33 (permalink)
CanwllCorfe Quiet Man in the Corner Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Pocono Mountains Posts: 2,480	haven't tried that one either. I'm not interested in the drug ones, I am more interested in the weird ones that have strange descriptions like Black Sunshine, White Crosses and A-Bomb

02-10-2009, 09:31 PM	#34 (permalink)
BoopieJones Music Addict Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: SI, NY Posts: 54	I'm just a wanna-be junkie.

02-10-2009, 09:42 PM	#35 (permalink)
CanwllCorfe Quiet Man in the Corner Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Pocono Mountains Posts: 2,480	hahaaaha!!

02-11-2009, 04:56 PM	#40 (permalink)
CanwllCorfe Quiet Man in the Corner Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Pocono Mountains Posts: 2,480	Ohh that's awesome!! I remember my first experience, it was so bizarre I didn't know what to make of it.