I didn't know where to put this, but I need music help. (electronic, pop)

**Janszoon** · 11-25-2008, 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4ZZZ

I like that.

IMO the term has changed over the years. When I was a youngster (in the very dawn of time) the connotations of Pop were of the popular and mainstream but there was a perceptive change in the 70's and the Punk / New Wave paved the way somewhat. Certain "punk" bands, say XTC for example began to put out what where described as Pop songs, catchy hooks and melodies etc etc.
This change may have happened earlier but I have no earlier memory of it.

In the end I have no issue with genre classification as I think that that at least attempts to help the individual understand as to what they are listening to.

Do you think that's because rock had yet to splinter into very many subgenres at that point? I mean, there were a couple different types of rock music earlier on but they were all centered around more of a pop aesthetic. It was splintering a bit in the 60s but I think the 70s were when it really broke up into tons of subgenres, many of which didn't fit into the pop mold.

If you look back further in time you can see a similar progression with jazz. Back in the 20s and 30s you had some different styles of jazz but they were all mostly about being dance music. It wasn't until you got to the late 40s or the 50s that you had large numbers of jazz musicians eschewing the pop aesthetic and creating new subgenres like bebop.

4ZZZ · 11-26-2008, 02:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Janszoon

Do you think that's because rock had yet to splinter into very many subgenres at that point? I mean, there were a couple different types of rock music earlier on but they were all centered around more of a pop aesthetic. It was splintering a bit in the 60s but I think the 70s were when it really broke up into tons of subgenres, many of which didn't fit into the pop mold.

IMO an absolute yes. The interesting thing was that I caught Queens Of The Stone Age live this year. Other than the fact that they played far too loud, but then I may be past my used by date haa haa, I was struck by the fact that they were a very good rock band. When I checked their history out later, I was informed by a few sources that they were Stoner Metal. I have to admit that I am not prone to listen to as much hard rock nowadays so this was a new term but the first thing I thought of was a Black Sabbath style band. Catchy but heavy riffs etc etc. I have no issue with that. At least I have a referral point if I go and see another band of this style.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Janszoon

If you look back further in time you can see a similar progression with jazz. Back in the 20s and 30s you had some different styles of jazz but they were all mostly about being dance music. It wasn't until you got to the late 40s or the 50s that you had large numbers of jazz musicians eschewing the pop aesthetic and creating new subgenres like bebop.

Good point. I think that they were the first to make sub genres, as you say bebop and then cool, jump, big band, swing etc etc. You knew what you were getting.

Tobias · 11-26-2008, 07:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sonace

As for Sum 41... I can't really say because I don't listen to their music. But if you like it then it doesn't really matter if they're pop-punk or punk or not.

Here's a quote from Wikipedia you might find useful:

"Most [Sum 41] fans and critics agree that Half Hour of Power and All Killer No Filler were purely pop punk, but Does This Look Infected? started moving toward heavier styles, such as alternative rock and alternative metal,[45] with Chuck being mostly alternative metal. "

How can something be POPular if it didn't really get mainstream attention? I'm talking about Half-Hour of Power.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Comus

Prog is basically progressive rock, arguably the most well known prog rock band is Pink Floyd you can find a wealth of stuff on youtube. That type of progressive rock is identified by often long guitar solos and symphonic melodies. Other bands to check into would be early Genesis, Jethro Tull and Yes.

If you like guitars you'll love the rock stylings of Leaf Hound, read my review in my review corner and if you're piqued ask me for a PM.

Would Tool be considered Prog?

I like guitars, I'm actually really getting into a full symphony with guitars and drums, and also, rap songs being remixed with guitars and drums, like Travis Barkers remixes.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Janszoon

I think there's little more to it than that. There are pop-punk bands out there who are not well known. It's not about the fact that the band is popular, it's about the fact that they do have a certain sound. It's a sound based on the mainstays of pop music: hooks, catchy choruses, tight instrumentation, etc.

I mean, listen to how poppy this Blink 182 songs is:

Regardless of it being "poppy", it's still good, and has a LOT of meaning behind it.

Veronica Lodge · 11-26-2008, 08:35 AM

Sum 41 most definitely got mainstream attention.

Tobias · 11-26-2008, 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Veronica Lodge

Sum 41 most definitely got mainstream attention.

not their first album. And Does This Look Infected couldn't get that much mainstream attention 'cause of the parental advisory sticker on it. But the other albums, yes. Very much so.

Veronica Lodge · 11-26-2008, 09:03 AM

Maybe it's just cuz I'm Canadian, and Sum 41 kinda exploded here with their first album....

FaSho · 11-26-2008, 09:03 AM

I don't care what anyone says, All Killer No Filler is a good album. It's great skate-punk whether you like it or not.

Piss Me Off · 11-26-2008, 09:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tobias

not their first album. And Does This Look Infected couldn't get that much mainstream attention 'cause of the parental advisory sticker on it. But the other albums, yes. Very much so.

It did alright, and it's not like anyone actually pays attention to those stickers anyway.

FaSho · 11-26-2008, 09:10 AM

I wouldn't say Half Hour Of Power got much attention until people started listening to All Killer, and figured out they had another album.

Veronica Lodge · 11-26-2008, 09:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Piss Me Off

It did alright, and it's not like anyone actually pays attention to those stickers anyway.

They got a lot of attention in Ontario, for sure. Being that they were from Ajax, a small town outside of Toronto, they did a lot of shows, got a lot of radio play, and their videos could be seen on MuchMusic frequently.

Canadian artists take a lot more time to break through into the States, whereas American artists are just everywhere, you know?

They were always bit in Canada is what I'm saying.

11-26-2008, 08:35 AM	#34 (permalink)
Veronica Lodge Music Addict Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Riverdale. Posts: 174	Sum 41 most definitely got mainstream attention. __________________ - Veronica Lodge - Yes, that IS what I said.

11-26-2008, 09:03 AM	#36 (permalink)
Veronica Lodge Music Addict Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Riverdale. Posts: 174	Maybe it's just cuz I'm Canadian, and Sum 41 kinda exploded here with their first album.... __________________ - Veronica Lodge - Yes, that IS what I said.