maybe

Agreed.

Yeah, except for those crazy Mothers Against [insert honestly good entertainment here]

Very true

Be that as it may, I'm seeing a rise in Canadian stars in the States now. So I wouldn't be surprised to see them come out quicker.

To me skate punk is just a genre pushed on younger teens who think they're being rebellious or edgy. Not stuff that's legitimately good music IMO.

My saying that it's poppy is not meant as a putdown, just an observation. I have also mentioned in this thread that several classic punk bands like The Clash, The Ramones, and X were also fairly poppy.

Am I missing something? I thought the point of this thread was that you wanted some suggestions of punk bands to check out, but you seem more interested in arguing about the term "pop".

The whole poppy/non poppy thing is a total red herring.

The point is when punk originally started in the late 70s it was totally at odds to what was around at the time. That's why it took off the way it did , because it was different.

However 3 chord punk gets boring very quickly so you expand your sound. Some went for a more commercial sound , some went to electronica , some went to dub & reggae , and so on & so on.

And thats why punk died out as quick as it started. The people involved wanted to do something different and when that sound started to become commonplace they moved on to other things.

What passes off for punk since then is just people copying what went on before , which was the total opposite to what it supposed to be in the first place. How can you be reactionary doing something that's been old hat & commercialised for over 30 years?

That about sums it up.

I agree that it's more along the lines of "fake" punk then anything else, but IMO there are some legitamatley good skate-punk songs, but most of skate punk band's discographies as a whole are lacking.

I'm not trying to argue...I'm trying to figure this out. Don't mistake my questions for instigations. Yes you got it, this thread is for suggestions to me so i can expand my taste.

And before this thread, all i've ever heard the word pop being referred to is the music that EVERYONE hates. Because they use it in this context, "Ugh that's so poppy"

So sorry if I tend to associate that word with a descriptor of disgust. And I always thought that the Ramones were like the fathers of Punk, or at least that's what i've always been told. So calling them poppy seemed like a contradiction to me.

Like I said poppy/non poppy makes no difference.

Name me one band that sounded like The Ramones in 1976.

Nobody did , thats why they made the impact they did.

Get it now?

Yeah I got it, you don't have to be an ass about it. :(

This is why I think most people shouldn't catergorize music.

I think the general public doesn't really know ENOUGH about music to categorize it. Thankfully, there are people out there not like this, and most people on MB are said people.

One of the things that really really urks me especially is this discussion of punk, and its forefathers. If people actually looked in books and researched, they would know the story and evolution of punk.

In all honesty, I think everyone is entitled to their opinion, but their opinion is only valid if its an educated one.

With that being said, I'm going to direct this next bit to Tobias. I think it's great that you are willing to learn more about music and branch out. But forget about catergorizing music. Forget about putting a label on it. Genres were designed to direct kids in records stores where to put the album on a shelf. Listen to what you want, for real real, and don't be focused on what's punk, and whats pop-punk. In the end, it's all the same - it's music. :)