The 100 Greatest Singers of All Time (pop, Christina Aguilera, covers, quote)

Anteater · 11-23-2008, 05:58 PM

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No one's saying that they shouldn't get credit in their own right. What's special about Patton is that he was so well-accomplished at many vocal stylings, such as growls, crooning, screaming, and rapping. He brought so many elements of different genres into his work. Is he overhyped? Well, sure. But it's immature to disregard him completely and his contribution to music.

Oh, and for the record, don't take me as a fanboy. I'll be the first to admit: Mike Patton is a horrible songwriter. The only good albums he's made are when he aligned himself with great musicians. Just look at Faith No More's post-Martin output. It's bloody awful.

I know quite well how accomplished he is, especially in regards to his various collaborations (I've always enjoyed Tomahawk and a good deal of the stuff he did with Zorn). Disregarding him is almost as idiotic as worshipping him IMO.

Also, I've never listened to FNM's stuff post-Angel Dust, but I'll take your word for it.

Urban: Of course not. We all know how easily you get bored.

lucifer_sam · 11-23-2008, 06:04 PM

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Also, I've never listened to FNM's stuff post-Angel Dust, but I'll take your word for it.

It's almost as bad as their pre-The Real Thing stuff.

Anteater · 11-23-2008, 06:17 PM

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It's almost as bad as their pre-The Real Thing stuff.

Lol. I've never liked Chuck Mosely anyway.

**Janszoon** · 11-24-2008, 07:30 PM

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I know quite well how accomplished he is, especially in regards to his various collaborations (I've always enjoyed Tomahawk and a good deal of the stuff he did with Zorn). Disregarding him is almost as idiotic as worshipping him IMO.

Also, I've never listened to FNM's stuff post-Angel Dust, but I'll take your word for it.

Please, for the love of Pete, don't take his word for it, give both those albums a chance!

Angel Dust is my favorite FNM album but King for a Day is their second best, IMO. It's not as cohesive as Angel Dust but it's still very good. And Album of the Year, though admittedly not that strong of an album, has enough good songs on it that it's worth a listen. In fact a couple of the better songs like "Stripsearch" and "She Loves Me Not" rank up there with my favorite FNM songs.

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It's almost as bad as their pre-The Real Thing stuff.

Heretic!

lucifer_sam · 11-24-2008, 08:21 PM

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Please, for the love of Pete, don't take his word for it, give both those albums a chance!

Angel Dust is my favorite FNM album but King for a Day is their second best, IMO. It's not as cohesive as Angel Dust but it's still very good. And Album of the Year, though admittedly not that strong of an album, has enough good songs on it that it's worth a listen. In fact a couple of the better songs like "Stripsearch" and "She Loves Me Not" rank up there with my favorite FNM songs.

Heretic!

I grew up listening to Faith No More, specifically Patton's output. King for a Day was a huge departure from their previous sound, and doesn't match up to what they did on The Real Thing or Angel Dust. I've listened to it a few odd times and I still can't imagine it's the same band as their earlier records.

And Chuck Mosely was an atrocious singer.

**Janszoon** · 11-24-2008, 08:52 PM

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I grew up listening to Faith No More, specifically Patton's output. King for a Day was a huge departure from their previous sound, and doesn't match up to what they did on The Real Thing or Angel Dust. I've listened to it a few odd times and I still can't imagine it's the same band as their earlier records.

I grew up listening to them too. King for a Day is actually one of the few albums in my life that I bought the day it came out. I can see where you'd say it was a departure but I see it more as just going further in the direction they were already moving in. You can hear precursors to the sound of King for a Day on all the songs on the Easy EP that preceded it, in the song "RV" from Angel Dust, and throughout the scattershot musical approach of The Real Thing. In a way, I just see King for a Day as upping the ante on the eclecticism of The Real Thing.

When you look at their entire output with Mike Patton, I think it's actually Angel Dust that stands out as the oddball album. It's the only one that's not all over the place stylistically and it's a lot darker than their other albums. It's one of my favorite albums, but in a way I think it is much more of a departure from Faith No More's style than any of their other albums.

ETA: Sorry just one more thing. I think one thing to keep in mind about King for a Day also is that Trey Spruance from Mr. Bungle was the guitarist on it, so with two Mr. Bungle members in Faith No More there was definitely more of a Bungle influence on the album. Maybe if you approach it as kind of a Faith No More/Mr. Bungle hybrid you might like it more.

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And Chuck Mosely was an atrocious singer.

Heh. Well you'll get no argument from me there.

lucifer_sam · 11-24-2008, 09:05 PM

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When you look at their entire output with Mike Patton, I think it's actually Angel Dust that stands out as the oddball album. It's the only one that's not all over the place stylistically and it's a lot darker than their other albums. It's one of my favorite albums, but in a way I think it is much more of a departure from Faith No More's style than any of their other albums.

Angel Dust is definitely a more cohesive record than any of the other ones, but there's a few strange things going on, from the satirical anthem "Kindergarten" to the oddball slap bass on "Crack Hitler." It was (as you probably know) Patton's first assimilation of creative control within the band, and he brought so many great vocal themes into the mix. It's just as much of a part of Patton's mark upon music as anything he did with Mr. Bungle or his side projects.

**Janszoon** · 11-24-2008, 09:19 PM

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Angel Dust is definitely a more cohesive record than any of the other ones, but there's a few strange things going on, from the satirical anthem "Kindergarten" to the oddball slap bass on "Crack Hitler." It was (as you probably know) Patton's first assimilation of creative control within the band, and he brought so many great vocal themes into the mix. It's just as much of a part of Patton's mark upon music as anything he did with Mr. Bungle or his side projects.

Oh yeah there's definitely a lot of cool stuff in the mix. Besides the ones you mentioned, there's also the sampled string piece in "Malpractice", the organ outro in "****lobber" (look I just discovered another word this board censors) and the cheerleading chant in "Small Victory". But somehow it was integrated into more of a singular sound.

I think we cross-posted with an edit I made to my last post. Did you see the paragraph I added?

lucifer_sam · 11-24-2008, 09:33 PM

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and the cheerleading chant in "Small Victory". But somehow it was integrated into more of a singular sound.

Goddamn Mike Patton ripoffs, they were.

(I think you meant Be Aggressive, not A Small Victory).