Gangster Rap (lyric, hardcore, punk, rap, genre)

dac · 11-12-2008, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by FaSho

It doesn't make rape good, it might make the music good. Passion almost always equals good music.

Songs about raping or brutally killing people (in a non metaphorical sense) are not good, period.

PartisanRanger · 11-14-2008, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by dac

Songs about raping or brutally killing people (in a non metaphorical sense) are not good, period.

What a joke. Hell, if you're going to tie your enjoyment of music to the moral value of the lyrics you might as well stay away from rap, metal, or rock and roll in general. You're like those nuts in the States that burned Iron Maiden albums because of the "satanic content" of The Number of the Beast.

Astronomer · 11-14-2008, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by PartisanRanger

What a joke. Hell, if you're going to tie your enjoyment of music to the moral value of the lyrics you might as well stay away from rap, metal, or rock and roll in general. You're like those nuts in the States that burned Iron Maiden albums because of the "satanic content" of The Number of the Beast.

I listen to metal and rock and roll in general and have never come across a song that is about violently raping someone or killing someone in a way that is enough for me to stop listening to it. So you can't say that all rock songs are satanic, evil, and violent. I'm definitely not like those "nuts" that burned Iron Maiden CDs or whatever, in fact I love a bit of controversy in music. But I seriously could not take someone's music seriously if they were outrightly singing about raping somebody or brutally murdering somebody and glamorizing it as a heroic lifestyle. Sure, a lot of stuff I listen to might have challenging moral value in the lyrics but none of it glamorizes truly immoral lifestyles.

And to go back on topic I think that is my main problem with a lot of gangster rap - it simply glamorizes crime culture, violence, and abuse towards women and makes these kinds of things heroic actions.

dac · 11-14-2008, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by lateralus

I listen to metal and rock and roll in general and have never come across a song that is about violently raping someone or killing someone in a way that is enough for me to stop listening to it. So you can't say that all rock songs are satanic, evil, and violent. I'm definitely not like those "nuts" that burned Iron Maiden CDs or whatever, in fact I love a bit of controversy in music. But I seriously could not take someone's music seriously if they were outrightly singing about raping somebody or brutally murdering somebody and glamorizing it as a heroic lifestyle. Sure, a lot of stuff I listen to might have challenging moral value in the lyrics but none of it glamorizes truly immoral lifestyles.

And to go back on topic I think that is my main problem with a lot of gangster rap - it simply glamorizes crime culture, violence, and abuse towards women and makes these kinds of things heroic actions.

Amen, lateralus

And further, the songs in question take the easy route. Anyone can talk about killing people and make sexist slurs.... Use some figurative language, be creative, emotional, do something productive. Maybe then I'll listen to you. And for the record, I think Number of the Beast is a boring song.

~~Gareth Brown~~ · 11-14-2008, 03:48 PM

Who gives a **** if their glamourising rape or murder, it doesn't mean people will go out and do it. Also, i find rappers talking about killing ho's and what not far more engaging than hero MF DOOMS nonsensical bull**** although i am a DOOM fan.

PartisanRanger · 11-14-2008, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by lateralus

I listen to metal and rock and roll in general and have never come across a song that is about violently raping someone or killing someone in a way that is enough for me to stop listening to it. So you can't say that all rock songs are satanic, evil, and violent. I'm definitely not like those "nuts" that burned Iron Maiden CDs or whatever, in fact I love a bit of controversy in music. But I seriously could not take someone's music seriously if they were outrightly singing about raping somebody or brutally murdering somebody and glamorizing it as a heroic lifestyle. Sure, a lot of stuff I listen to might have challenging moral value in the lyrics but none of it glamorizes truly immoral lifestyles.

And to go back on topic I think that is my main problem with a lot of gangster rap - it simply glamorizes crime culture, violence, and abuse towards women and makes these kinds of things heroic actions.

It's okay if you don't like music because of immoral content. What I took issue with was Dac's assertion that music cannot be good if the lyrics go to violent or otherwise reprehensible extremes. That's ridiculous. I personally dig NWA's "**** Tha Police" despite the fact that Ice Cube talks about starting a bloodbath of cops.

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Originally Posted by dac

And further, the songs in question take the easy route. Anyone can talk about killing people and make sexist slurs.... Use some figurative language, be creative, emotional, do something productive. Maybe then I'll listen to you. And for the record, I think Number of the Beast is a boring song.

That's a different subject entirely. The problem with gangsta rap these days isn't the brutal lyrics, but the general lack of creativity and innovation.

11-14-2008, 03:48 PM	#5 (permalink)
~~Gareth Brown~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 295	Who gives a ** if their glamourising rape or murder, it doesn't mean people will go out and do it. Also, i find rappers talking about killing ho's and what not far more engaging than hero MF DOOMS nonsensical bull** although i am a DOOM fan.