Astronomer

Yeah me, too, I'm fine with it in that respect, too. I'm not fine with it, if they're just glamorizing it and singing about it to look cool.

And FYI yes some men think abusing women is cool. We live in a pretty ****ed up world.

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Urban Hat€monger ?

Who does glamorize rape anyway?
I see a lot of accusations being thrown around but no actual examples.

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Astronomer

This isn't a gangster rap example but stuff like this:


I know I always see images like this in rap videos and such, through the way they dance and move around with the women in the clip... etc. I can't be bothered searching through YouTube for one.

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Roygbiv

I agree with Lateralus wholeheartedly. Gangster Rap isn't the main offender when it comes to rape, but everyday ads that don't get questioned by parents, such as the one above. It's very subtle, because it's always been accepted that the woman is the one that's supposed to go down on the man/be submissive. I would argue that blowjobs are more popular than actual sex.

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Astronomer

Yeah, like this:


And ones where the woman is kneeling and the man is standing. They're EVERYWHERE.

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Roygbiv

In contrast, the above ad can be used against both male and female archetypes. The male is supposed to be able to satisfy, protect, and care for a woman, just as the woman is supposed to submit, be protected, and tend to her protector. I know that the argument seems almost elementary, but really dig for these signs in any ad, both printed and on television (nowadays in the internet, also). We like to think gender roles have changed, but thousands of years of rules still live among us.

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FaSho

I laughed at that for about a milisecond then felt really bad. I understand the point. Music is a part of culture, so are advertisements, so It's culturally acceptable to have ads like that,which is wrong.

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Urban Hat€monger ?

Personally I think just focusing on one aspect such as rape takes away from the point if someone is arguing about the negative effect of Gangsta Rap.

I'd be much more concerned about it giving the impression that it's ok to do anything bad without any consequence.

As for that ad , well it's not like the fashion industry are known for being paragons of virtue , and it's pretty much dominated by other women and gay men anyway. I doubt that ad got made because of any misogynistic tendencies any straight men might have.

As for the dancing , well I could probably find dancing like that in ballet if I looked for it. Is there really much difference in simulating forceful sex and simulating rape in dance? I couldn't say, i've never really looked for it.

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FaSho

This was originally about songs like "**** the cops" by NWA, and you obviously don't see messages like that as much in advertising.

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Roygbiv

The intentions do not have to be there. It's all preconceived. See, even if it were true that the fashion industry was all women and *** men, they still realize that people will immediately get the ad above and laugh, as FaSho did. It's funny because we all get it, because we have all accepted a man and woman's place in society, even if we know that it is "un-enlightened" to think that way.

Oh, and I agree with the Gangsta Rap message being "no consequences."

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