2008-Best of the year (genre, albums, quote, bands, Erhu)

Astronomer · 11-09-2008, 08:51 PM

I think I am the only person on this forum who is not a Nick Cave fan.

Rainard Jalen · 11-09-2008, 08:56 PM

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Queens of the Stone Age - Songs for the Deaf
The Roots - Phrenology
The Flaming Lips - Yoshimi Battles the Pink Robots
Tom Waits - Alice, Blood Money
Wilco - Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
...And You Will Know Us By the Trail of Dead - Source Tags and Codes
Sigur Ros - ( )
Spoon - Kill the Moonlight

Just to name a few.

Bold denotes albums which are arguably the artists' best releases.

lol. even 2007 was better than 2002.

kthedrummer · 11-09-2008, 08:59 PM

I've hardly heard him except for Red Right Hand but I liked that movie he wrote, The Proposition.

lucifer_sam · 11-09-2008, 09:12 PM

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lol. even 2007 was better than 2002.

Looks like someone's deeply misinformed. 2007 was a banner year for indie music but was woefully impotent in other genres.

For fuck's sake, stop being an argumentative troll.

Rainard Jalen · 11-09-2008, 09:44 PM

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Looks like someone's deeply misinformed. 2007 was a banner year for indie music but was woefully impotent in other genres.

For fuck's sake, stop being an argumentative troll.

The point that you accuse me of trolling and have to resort to that kind of language is rather telling. Go through my posts whether recent or old and honestly demonstrate that I'm a troller. Fact is, calling me a troll is easier than having a normal civilized discussion. Pity you insist on going for the easy option.

Now, for one, I wasn't being argumentative in the slightest. I was expressing a simple opinion, namely that the music that came out last year was, in my opinion, substantially better in overall quality and scope than the range of music that came out in 2002 (or any of the first five years of this decade for that matter). It is entirely irrelevant whether it was a good year for one type of music and a bad year for others, or whatever. This is strictly a question of pure quantity of top notch material being released. For me, 2007 wins hands down.

lucifer_sam · 11-09-2008, 10:07 PM

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The point that you accuse me of trolling and have to resort to that kind of language is rather telling. Go through my posts whether recent or old and honestly demonstrate that I'm a troller.

This could be hard.

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they have one sort of good-ish song and that's "nancy boy". other than that they are the absolute suck and i stand by that for all time to come.

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Right. Well, the band is now officially doomed among the hipster crowd. Game set and match. Can't say I really disagree that much.

Partie Traumatic | Pitchfork

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what a load of rubbish. i cant believe people believed the hype that it was to be the answer to illmatic. the only thing it is the answer to is the question of whether nas is as of now a useless rapper. the album answers with a resounding yes.

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Um, how is he *not* a great songwriter? Anybody who single-handedly writes a track like Mardy Bum is clearly a very very talented writer.

lucifer_sam · 11-09-2008, 10:08 PM

It wouldn't all fit into one post.

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Um, ok. I was kinda expecting that: if all else fails, just accuse other person of something randomly without explaining how or why or what that means. Good one!

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Right, and you've been here to observe all that for what, 3 days? Anyway, this is a message board, so that's kinda the whole point: be opinionated and speak your mind.

I will rarely "strike down" an opinion unless it's plain obsessive bias, extreme and absurd hyperbole, and the like. I even agree that the Beatles are on the whole better than the Stones, but in that case it should be justified by true statements, not blinding fibs like ridiculous overexaggeration of John's and George's instrumental skills. And seriously, Keith Richards is so much stronger a pure rock'n'roll guitarist than Harrison that it's not even funny.

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What a load of needless triffling hyperbole.

Um, the hell? Good grief. If you can prove that Harrison was even half as dexterous on guitar as Richards, I'll be impressed. Barring that, your statement has absolutely no justification whatsover. Harrison of the 60s was merely a competent player: unpretentious and unspectacular. Hell, he wasn't even confident enough in his skills (or lack thereof) to play the solo his own best piece.

songwriters*,

He was a great vocalist. He was not a good instrumentalist in any sense of the word and anybody who claims so is an utter idiot.

Plainly you are not a Rolling Stones fan of any sort, so it's better that you don't start talking about how they do or do not compare to your favourite band.

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Yeah.

The folk pieces are APPALLING compared to anybody else's who actually specialized in that sort of music. One should NEVER, EVER argue for Zep being a good or important band and then cite the folk pieces as evidence. Zep are good/important for what they themselves pioneered, which is the sound of songs like Out On The Tiles...

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My main issue with Steven Wilson, to be totally honest, is the point that he can be perceived as coming across as self-satisfied and arrogant. I saw a documentary on the makings of Opeth's Deliverance and Damnation, both of which Wilson produced. He seems to be insinuating that his own project's music exists on a higher plane.

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My view is that this is one of the very worst bands to come out of British music over the past 18 years. They were originally a COMPLETE Pink Floyd rip off, and there is virtually nothing interesting, new or original in the majority of their catalogue at all - it just sounds like bog standard 70s prog: the turmoil where a lot of prog unfortunately ended up towards the end of the classic prog era. I do NOT understand why this band have such a following and I completely fail to see their merits. If somebody would like to take on the task of clearly and effectively explaining just what this band have done that is of any particular substantial merit at all, I would be very happy to read it.

There was a LOT more. By page seven some of the shit you say starts to get pretty ridiculous.

kthedrummer · 11-09-2008, 10:32 PM

lucifer sam...ur my hero.

FireInCairo · 11-09-2008, 11:53 PM

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I think I am the only person on this forum who is not a Nick Cave fan.

quite possibly...I think he's killer.

turboduck17 · 11-09-2008, 11:54 PM

i hate nick cave

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